[DBP] Lefh/ML20 one-shot problem suggestion

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2017, 16:14 PMkingdun3284

Is ML-20 still being one shot by SDB DBP? I think there should be a standard between them when they both cost fuel. It is not balanced when ost having many doctrines with SDB that can one-shot ML20 and recon at the same time while SU only have a few doctrine having the utter expensive IL bombing strike and recon can do the same thing. I prefer something skillful like a brace button which cost munition like 50 or 60 to allow them not being one-shot by call-in artillery within 10 sec( Only effective to off-map, is it possible?).
Otherwise, if it is too difficult to do that, just make them both can survive from any off-map(using target table?) when they are in full health. So players will build it.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2017, 16:26 PMZombiFrancis

Most, if not all, offmaps can no longer target the base sector. That includes SDB I believe.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2017, 16:45 PMBlalord

And arti pieces cannot build be build in base sector anymore right ?

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2017, 16:21 PMMr.Smith

The point of pricing changes is that if the enemy kills your howitzer, you rebuild them. Then your opponent needs to hoard a lot of munitions to blow your howitzer up again.

There needs to be an option for howitzers to die with one-shots (preferably from 200MU+ strikes), so that they don't become completely cancerous on maps where they it's difficult to reach them.

Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2017, 02:50 AMIntelligence209

It's best to wait for the enemy to choose commander to then pick the artillery doc. Minimized chsnce of SDB.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2017, 16:21 PMMr.Smith

The point of pricing changes is that if the enemy kills your howitzer, you rebuild them. Then your opponent needs to hoard a lot of munitions to blow your howitzer up again.

There needs to be an option for howitzers to die with one-shots (preferably from 200MU+ strikes), so that they don't become completely cancerous on maps where they it's difficult to reach them.

Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2017, 10:39 AMkitekaze

According to your logic, with 200 MU strike, we should be able to destroy king tiger in one shot or blow away enemy's HQ? Those thing when killed can be rebuilt or recruited again after all.

The one shots option is cancerous. No skill required, no counter allowed, one click, gone, easy as pie.

Once, I had a match with friends on custom game. My wehrmacht mate dropped SDB every times he spotted enemy's howitzer. Poor enemy can't do anything but watch his howitzer gone within minute after built.

If you want to stop howitzer from being too hard to be killed, reduce their range.
If you want player to micro to protect their arillery, add an mini-brace ability that cost munition and work only against commander ability.
Make a unit and then make an ability to render that unit useless is not how to balance the game.

Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2017, 12:38 PMMr.Smith

In the vast majority of 4v4 maps it is practically infeasible to reach and destroy a howitzer. Thus, having abilities that act as fail-safes for that is a good design. Adding brace-like abilities, or removing this OHK feature could lead to cancerous plays.

So yes; the first time you build a howitzer, expect it to get blown up like before. Follow-up howitzers will start putting a strain in your opponents' munition reserve and should be able to survive for longer.

Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2017, 12:38 PMMr.Smith

Mortar Pit sim city is cancerous because

Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2017, 17:43 PMZombiFrancis

Brace. Just sayin'. That's kind of what separates British emplacements from any other faction's emplacements.

Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2017, 18:15 PMMr.Smith

If you do this, then any team that doesn't have two guys with offmaps will be doomed to be barraged by the howitzer all game long.

Even if that weren't the case, by giving brace to howitzers you are decreasing the conversion ratio of MU (offmaps needed) to MP/FU (to level howitzers). Isn't there a reason why we couldn't achieve the same by directly affecting the:
- Price threshold of off-maps required to level howitzers (e.g., in the patch from 120MU to 200MU)
- Lowering the requirements of bottleneck resources (e.g., in the patch from 600MP to 400MP)

Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2017, 18:15 PMMr.Smith

If you do this, then any team that doesn't have two guys with offmaps will be doomed to be barraged by the howitzer all game long.

Even if that weren't the case, by giving brace to howitzers you are decreasing the conversion ratio of MU (offmaps needed) to MP/FU (to level howitzers). Isn't there a reason why we couldn't achieve the same by directly affecting the:
- Price threshold of off-maps required to level howitzers (e.g., in the patch from 120MU to 200MU)
- Lowering the requirements of bottleneck resources (e.g., in the patch from 600MP to 400MP)

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2017, 05:56 AMaomsinzana

You totally forget Canadian Royal Artillery doctrine, the best counter static units doctrine in CoH2.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2017, 08:26 AMkingdun3284

You totally forget the concentration barrage is no longer available to shot through fog in the next patch. And it's not fun to pick the same doctrine everytime just for countering lefh.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2017, 08:26 AMkingdun3284

You totally forget the concentration barrage is no longer available to shot through fog in the next patch. And it's not fun to pick the same doctrine everytime just for countering lefh.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2017, 08:59 AMBananenheld

And you can SBD thru fog of war? i think there are more allied offmaps which kills howitzers than you listed like air supremancy etc (probably even major arty kills it)