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The last time this unit was really good was when you could get two of them and they came sooner. Since then the only stat change has been lower rear armor.
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Out of all the unbalanced units in this game IS2 is one of the worst offenders. One of the best tanks in WW2 but in 95% of games it´s not used unlike Tigers, Panthers etc.
It had a 122mm gun and four machine guns (one of them a Dshk) but cant do anything in this game. Why does it have to be that way? Why not make the IS2 a somewhat realistic copy of the real-live IS2. Very high damage gun with good penetration even against heavy tanks but with long reload, mobility comparable to Tiger I but with slightly better armor.
BTW: the small 7.6cm gun of the panther deals 160 damage just as the 12.2cm gun of the IS2...this is insane.
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BTW: the small 7.6cm gun of the panther deals 160 damage just as the 12.2cm gun of the IS2...this is insane.
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IS-2 was one of the best of WW2 tanks? On which way?
DsHKs are the best HMG's n the game, try to use flanking puma vs. ISU with pintle MG on the top and you will see it's power xD
And if you call IS's armour slighty better than on Tiger I... Dude, it has the same as KT, you can't get any better. Imagine if it has JT armor, not even a chance for a raketens haha.
But Panther can only deals with armor once IS-2 can deal with any target. RoF seems to be roughly equal for both - really low.
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What if I actually told you that both 88mm and 75mm had higher velocity and joule rating than is2 main gun, thus they were historically better ?
And if out of all three guns 75mm was better than both ?
The idea that 122mm is better than 75mm because more is totally wrong, caliber is not the only important feature...
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As I said. It had a 122mm gun, 4 Mgs, thick sloped armour while still beeing somewhat easy to move around. It was a far better design than Tiger I. But ok, that´s rl and not very relevant.
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This is wrong and a often repeated myth.
1. Tanks fought infantry and emplacements more often than tanks in WW2, so higher caliber = better since it deals more damage.
2. The 122mm gun of the IS2 could penetrate slightly more mm of steel than the Panther.
3. The gun of the IS2 and also the kwk 36 8.8 of the tiger could penetrate any regular tank with ease despite less velocity than the 7.6cm of the Panther. So in most situations higher caliber = more damage = better.
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2) FACTUALLY WRONG
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/122_mm_gun_M1931/37_(A-19)
Max penetration at 500ms: 155mm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.5_cm_KwK_42
Max penetration at 500ms: 234mm
Even using pzgr 39/42 with lower velocity kwk42 got higher penetration: 168mm
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Factually wrong you say? Why are you using the ML20 field gun instead of the D25T 122mm tank gun of the IS2?
Real Panther and IS2 penetration tables are:
30° sloped armour at 500/1000/1500m
Panther 124/111/100mm
IS 2 140/130/120/mm
https://www.wwiivehicles.com/soviet-union/guns.asp
https://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/guns/75-mm.asp
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Pzgr 40/42 (HVAP)
12.7 lb, 10.5 lb, 4.72 kg, 4.75 kg
3,675'/s
1,120 m/s
170
30
194
174
150, 149
127
106
174mm at 500ms, hell even better than my link.
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So you are using the values of the IS2 with regular ammunition while using the Panther stats with Pz.Gren. 40/42 HVAP. Of course the results will be different.
In reality Pz.Gren 39 was used almost all the time since production of the 40/42 model was stopped in 1943 due to Wolfram shortages.
But ok, you have your opinion, I dont even want to argue anymore since you will just twist and turn everything around to suit your point.
If you compare penetration stats at least use ones with the same ammunition LOL
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Dude just read some stuff about tanks and guns etc to understand at least the basics.
Pz.Gren 39 (APCBC) was the standard for the German tanks until the end of the war. Pz. Gren 40 (HVAP) was produced in relatively small quantities until 1943. Then production was stopped because their was no Wolfram available which was necessary for production of the Pz.Gren 40.
When you compared penetration stats of IS2 and Panther you used different types of ammunition. For the Panther you used HVAP and for the IS2 you used APCBC. That made your whole rant about penetration stupid since you didnt even bother to use the same types of ammunition.
So for real world conditions the IS2 still had more penetration than the Panther. No matter which way you are trying to twist facts and build your own fantasy.
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