do brits receive double LMG nerfs?

Jump back to quoted post14 Jun 2017, 18:54 PMEtherealDragon

You have to keep in mind too that Brens have a crazy long reload time of 9 seconds when Tommy's aren't receiving their cover bonus - so a double Bren'ed Tommy not in cover is going to have long periods where their DPS drops. Combined with the Vet 3 pinata effect then I'd say there are some downsides currently to double Brens. (Though they are indeed a bear to deal with if there is significant cratering going on and yellow cover is everywhere)

Jump back to quoted post14 Jun 2017, 19:03 PMAugust1996

Yeah because you totally put IS outside cover. Who even does that? And its no longer a problem in the late game with all the explosives running around, also I have the Balance Mattress to create my own yellow cover. Oh and sandbags/trenches exist, learn to use them.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jun 2017, 17:44 PMDangerous-Cloth

You consider those elite infantry lol? Well considering I put riflemen and tommies as elite infantry in their own right, might as well say they could be too then. Still, pgrens aren't really that great compared to vetted riflemen and tommies with lmgs.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jun 2017, 19:03 PMAugust1996

Yeah because you totally put IS outside cover. Who even does that? And its no longer a problem in the late game with all the explosives running around, also I have the Balance Mattress to create my own yellow cover. Oh and sandbags/trenches exist, learn to use them.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jun 2017, 19:41 PMle_saucisson_masque

there is also a direct counter to sandbags/trenches, it's the grenade, learn to use them.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jun 2017, 20:45 PMBananenheld

I wish that would be true but that damn 0.5 modifier behind green cover really makes nades useless against cover play (except uberflame nade or molo )

Jump back to quoted post14 Jun 2017, 19:41 PMle_saucisson_masque

i think you should check the tournament game between LUVNEST and HELPINGHANS. Especially the ones where HHANS got his Infantry Section RAPED by axis artillery.

There is a reason why IS are not that good (against osther at least), it's called mortar.

now if you go braindead and except your grenadier to win against more expensive and still less versatile IS, you are going to have indeed a lot of truble.

there is also a direct counter to sandbags/trenches, it's the grenade, learn to use them.

Since it can lead to a ban , i won't ask you for playercard but you know what i mean

Jump back to quoted post14 Jun 2017, 22:24 PMLoopDloop

My view is that IS are the only general combat infantry brits get (commandos are ambush troops, especially late game, and can't be used as normal infantry due to their RA and bleed). This means that they do have to scale really well compared to, say grenadiers, who generally have more support options (being an EFA unit), are more versatile (due to g43s and no debuff out of cover) and can be supported by pgrens. It is also very expensive to double up lmgs on multiple sections as well, and brens are kinda bad compared to other lmgs for various reasons IIRC, and drop a lot at vet3. Still, that doesn't mean they are 100% balanced as a whole.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jun 2017, 19:26 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

Considering their cost and better stats compared to regular infantry at even vet, they might lack upgrades to scale better, but they require no munitions investment besides healing so I think it's fair to call them Elite Infantry.
Rifles need to be strong and scale well since they are the main component of USF strategy, plus you need infantry to cap points so it doubles up, now Tommies are indeed strong for their cost with all their upgrades but, they lack snares and that is a crippling weakness that can and should be exploited... Even if their RA in cover is a bit silly past Vet2.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jun 2017, 03:35 AMEuan

The thing with IS is that they are very powerful long-range infantry that scale well into the late game, but that is really all they are.

They don't get an AT snare, they get strong debuffs out of cover or on the move, they get useless tools (has anyone actually seen an IS grenade or arty flare recently?). They are also expensive and lose to any tools that temporarily deny their cover (arty, riflenades, flame nades, etc.) or when caught out at short range.

Not saying that they are bad, I like them, they are great when used properly. But IMO if you want to take away the dual LMG, there will be no use for them in the late game, unless you change something else in return as elchino7 said (random example: replace the useless short-range nade with a smoke rifle-nade, or make the arty flare actually deal damage).

On the other hand IMO the 5-man squad is still over-performing for the cost of the upgrade. And from a Wehr perspective, Panzergrenadiers definitely seem super lackluster against IS (not to mention USF rifles...).

Jump back to quoted post15 Jun 2017, 06:43 AMDangerous-Cloth

Hm so the reason riflemen are so powerful is because they are the mainline infantry and they have to cap? All infantry has to cap lol and as far as I know, grens still suck conpared to rifles and tommies..

Tommies are complete bullshit, we all know it. Can't exploit their non existent snare when the AEC shows up at roughly the same time as the 222 and the cromwell always shows up faster than the p4 in most scenarios..

Tommies are complete bullshit, we all know it. Can't exploit their non existent snare when the AEC shows up at roughly the same time as the 222 and the cromwell always shows up faster than the p4 in most scenarios..

Jump back to quoted post15 Jun 2017, 19:50 PMfrostbite

counter it with tanks... dont fight inf with weaker inf all the time try to mp drain with tanks