Dual Kubel Cancer

Jump back to quoted post25 May 2017, 12:08 PMFred9001

Try managing 4 kubels at once with their glorious pathing, it's simply impossible

Jump back to quoted post25 May 2017, 13:04 PMadamírcz

May I suggest to call this a "Tumor" instead?

Jump back to quoted post25 May 2017, 18:33 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

"Tumor" is actually a very accurate word to describe OKW's negative influence in the game...

Jump back to quoted post25 May 2017, 22:39 PMDanielD

https://www.coh2.org/topic/60897/gcs-main-round-stats-w-updates

Edit: The link is just to be clear that frustrating to play against is not the same as strong. Multiple kubels doesnt scale at all it's a cheesy all in.

Jump back to quoted post26 May 2017, 13:28 PMBudwise

This. Think of it like this, every Kubel is 1 less Volk. Kubels don't scale past a few minutes...

Jump back to quoted post26 May 2017, 14:04 PMLoopDloop

That's not really how it ends up working though, in my experience using and playing against it, and I can say exactly why. The thing is, kubels don't bleed any manpower, and as long as you really go all in and crutch on the kubels, using the sturms very conservatively, you can end up with in excess of like 600mp by the time you set up your first truck. By then, you should have 2cp and can spam pfusies if you so choose or just roll with volks from there. Meanwhile, your opponent will probably be frustrated and bled hard, so you can take advantage of that. I even spammed jaegers once or twice. In theory, it's a stupid all in, but as long as you go ALL kubels, it really doesn't matter when they start dying.

Jump back to quoted post26 May 2017, 21:34 PMGhostTX

I totally agree, while USF can put damage and force 1 Kubel to back off, you still have the 2nd. All the while, USF is losing men in the squad which forces a retreat and then MP expenditures. Meanwhile, fix Kubels and OKW is down nothing. One volk to reinforce the 2 Kubels and a second volk to start backcapping. Meanwhile, USF hasn't capped jack.

IMO, the DPS of the Kubel or armor should be reduced and/or long range DPS of the SP should be reduced.

Jump back to quoted post24 May 2017, 16:27 PMferwiner

Isn't kubel exactly what counters green cover before you have vet1 nades? You can win almost any fight in early game just by pushing rifles from cover with kubel and shooting with some other unit, preferably sturmpios.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2017, 04:53 AMdreamerdude

Kubel does not win vs rifles that are in green cover.

if you are dealing with two kubels with 1 rifle then you need to teach yourself to keep your army together so they can support one another.

the whole deal with USF is that you need to really push your engagements into your favour as much as you can, you really need to work hard at trying to out flank and everything with their units until they are at a decent vet. Double kubel is sure, annoying to deal with, but when you engage properly you can punish the garden out of them

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2017, 04:53 AMdreamerdude

Kubel does not win vs rifles that are in green cover.

if you are dealing with two kubels with 1 rifle then you need to teach yourself to keep your army together so they can support one another.

the whole deal with USF is that you need to really push your engagements into your favour as much as you can, you really need to work hard at trying to out flank and everything with their units until they are at a decent vet. Double kubel is sure, annoying to deal with, but when you engage properly you can punish the garden out of them

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2017, 19:45 PMGhostTX

You're dealing with the Kubels AND an SP. So if you push, you're taking SP damage. If you focus on the SP, you get Kubel damage. If it was just a Kubel, that's one thing. It's the "pairing" that devolves the play.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2017, 21:39 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

Stuff like this would be ok if OKW didn't scale as well as it does into the lategame, challenging USF early dominance and this is just wrong IMHO, it all begins with their starting Engineer unit.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2017, 21:39 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

Stuff like this would be ok if OKW didn't scale as well as it does into the lategame, challenging USF early dominance and this is just wrong IMHO, it all begins with their starting Engineer unit.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2017, 19:45 PMGhostTX

You're dealing with the Kubels AND an SP. So if you push, you're taking SP damage. If you focus on the SP, you get Kubel damage. If it was just a Kubel, that's one thing. It's the "pairing" that devolves the play.