MG34
12 May 2017, 22:40 PM
#41
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doesn't the mg42 have a faster rate of fire? which is why imo its far better then suppressing then the mg34
12 May 2017, 22:49 PM
#42
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doesn't the mg42 have a faster rate of fire? which is why imo its far better then suppressing then the mg34
It fires 2 more bullets per second of burst.
12 May 2017, 23:17 PM
#43
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It fires 2 more bullets per second of burst.
So somewhat faster, but not by that much?
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12 May 2017, 23:53 PM
#44
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im rather Stunned how well the mg34 perfoms in a vacuum, because ingame it feels like the mg34 is really lacking in what it should do
This. For me MG34 doesn't worth to buy except I'm having big MP flow and there are many building at the side of the map with lack of my presence.
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13 May 2017, 00:33 AM
#45
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This. For me MG34 doesn't worth to buy except I'm having big MP flow and there are many building at the side of the map with lack of my presence.
Because in game it's going up against a lot of mobile allied infantry and doesn't provide the performance axis players usually see from their suppression platforms like the mg42, flakhq, or even vet4+ obers lol.
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13 May 2017, 03:25 AM
#46
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Vickers is far superior to the mg34. idk about the maxim tho haven't tried the new one
The Vickers is just stupid sometimes, it doesnt pin as well as the MG42 but you dont need to pin when you can kill everything. Today I had a fight between my MG42 in the big church of Düsseldorf versus a vickers in green cover, and the Vickers won without losing a model while my MG42 had to retreat with 1 man and extremely low health.
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13 May 2017, 03:26 AM
#47
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I think the problem with the 34 is that it comes late, so you have to fight vetted infantry with a vet 0 mg. Often it feels like it doesnt want to pin at all and an enemy unit just runs up and throws something in its face.
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13 May 2017, 05:39 AM
#48
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The Vickers is just stupid sometimes, it doesnt pin as well as the MG42 but you dont need to pin when you can kill everything. Today I had a fight between my MG42 in the big church of Düsseldorf versus a vickers in green cover, and the Vickers won without losing a model while my MG42 had to retreat with 1 man and extremely low health.
Vickers has very high damage, very low suppression. My vickers forces retreats due to damage more than due to pins lol.
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13 May 2017, 06:27 AM
#49
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The Vickers is just stupid sometimes, it doesnt pin as well as the MG42 but you dont need to pin when you can kill everything. Today I had a fight between my MG42 in the big church of Düsseldorf versus a vickers in green cover, and the Vickers won without losing a model while my MG42 had to retreat with 1 man and extremely low health.
You know that green cover > garrison right? (Pass 10 range) Specially if there isn't enough windows to shoot from.
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13 May 2017, 07:57 AM
#50
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It says it right there ABOUT THE SAME as an mg42. That is what he said in the shoutbox. He claimed that the suppression is the same for both mgs and that the difference is the damage. That is ABOUT THE SAME.
If you can't understand these words, then whatever.
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13 May 2017, 09:09 AM
#51
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Permanently BannedI think the problem with the 34 is that it comes late, so you have to fight vetted infantry with a vet 0 mg. Often it feels like it doesnt want to pin at all and an enemy unit just runs up and throws something in its face.
What vetted infatry ? Its only can be vet1.
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13 May 2017, 10:58 AM
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13 May 2017, 11:01 AM
#53
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Feel free to critique this test, but here's a 34 vs a 42:
Test is flawed. This is performed without the influence of cover.
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13 May 2017, 12:37 PM
#54
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You know that green cover > garrison right? (Pass 10 range) Specially if there isn't enough windows to shoot from.
if the vickers is in the building and mg42 in green cover, the vickers will still in either way
13 May 2017, 13:14 PM
#55
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Maybe instead of locking it behind a deployed HQ truck, unlock it once a truck is built? You still require the fuel, still require the queue, and still require the time to get the HQ truck out into the map.
13 May 2017, 15:17 PM
#56
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Maybe instead of locking it behind a deployed HQ truck, unlock it once a truck is built? You still require the fuel, still require the queue, and still require the time to get the HQ truck out into the map.
Hm it might come too quickly with OKW's early game strength.
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13 May 2017, 18:33 PM
#57
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if the vickers is in the building and mg42 in green cover, the vickers will still in either way
Probably due to the crew been fielded MP40 vs Lee Rifles (both are crap versions but still respects the weapon dmg model) so they are slightly better at close and worst at far.
Having take a look at the dps charts:
The machineguns dmg wise have some weird dps fluctuations. Vickers indeed have better DPS at point blank till 10 range (which is slightly offset by the crew DPS) but after that, the DPS is barely higher (1-3 dps difference) and at max ranges (40/45) they are basically equal (45 range MG42 is higher).
TL;DR: it's basically a 55/45 in favour of the Vickers which is almost a flip coin situation.
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