How to handle the US reconnaissance loiter

Jump back to quoted post8 May 2017, 10:50 AM__deleted__

All factions have this kind of loites (except maybe OKW and UKF, but OKW got flares and UKF got maphack)


I think one 222 or oswind (if you want overkill) should be enough to counter any loiter

Jump back to quoted post8 May 2017, 11:22 AMJoshua85

I can see if it could be interpreted this way by calling it a "map hack", but I wasn't trying to imply that I consider the p47 OP, only that I have had problems dealing with it Even though it is certainly good, it seems to be quite resonably balanced and priced for what it does.

Are you saying that a single 222 should be able to consistently take down the scout plane? In that case that seems like a counter that can be quite easy to pull off, you I guess I will try this out.

Thanks for the advice

Jump back to quoted post8 May 2017, 11:28 AM__deleted__

It´s not always consistent, but it should do it´s job for a cheat price. Especially if you vet it early on, it can serve you very well in the lategame, as a recon/AA/ infantry harrasser unit.


But if you have fuel, I recommend you to invest in the oswind. It´s better in every aspect, compared to the 222.

Jump back to quoted post8 May 2017, 11:54 AMJoshua85

Solid advice! thank you.

Do you have any recommendations or personal preferances in terms of doctrines when fighting USF, particularily the caliope/p47 commander? And should I generally rely on T3 medium Tanks and doctrinals or is it a better option to scale into T4 at some point?

Jump back to quoted post8 May 2017, 12:02 PM__deleted__

I really love mobile defense commander against the CalliOP commander.

In the mid game a puma can keep quad and stuart at bay, later on you do not tech for tier3 but get command panzer4 instead (most USF players often play extended light vehicle phase with calliOP commander, so this punishes them greatly).

In the late game, command panzer works great against infantry blobs and pumas can hunt down any calliOPe, thanks to their speed and general weaknesses in USF defences (if they go many calliOPes, they cannot get medium tanks ).

This build works greatly with tier 4 (puma, command panzer, tier4). USF doesn´t have any counter to panther (in this doctrine), if you support it well with your infantry and brumbaar will wipe enemy squads as well and the calliOP yours.


Also cheap ostruppen replacements does wonders, if you lose many squads to calliOP lategame and all you need is to cap.


Hope this helped you

Jump back to quoted post8 May 2017, 13:38 PMsome one

idk What topic starter is talking about.

P47s do not provide vision more then a year...

Jump back to quoted post8 May 2017, 07:42 AMJoshua85

US player revealing the whole map with p47 loiter

Jump back to quoted post8 May 2017, 14:13 PMsome one

tell him He could use the reconnaissance loiter from Elefant Doctrine and use stuka dive bomb, pzwerfer and pss.. even mortars to storming aroung his AT-guns and mgs with ease.

Jump back to quoted post8 May 2017, 14:16 PM__deleted__

Elefant, pwerfer and dive bomb in 1v1 ? I don´t know

Jump back to quoted post8 May 2017, 14:32 PMsome one

Mortars + Caliope + Pak Howi + fast US tanks in 1v1? I don´t know

Jump back to quoted post8 May 2017, 15:21 PMJoshua85

I don't really understand the hostility I'm recieving here. I realize that it is an overstatement to say that they reveal the whole map. My point was simply that they reveal a lot and I was having a hard time countering this when the opponent had this amount of intel about the positioning of my MG and AT-guns.

I specifically clarified that I did not find the p47 to be OP or cheese, but was simply asking for advice as I had not encountered this strategy before and was asking the forum for advice.