Whats the point in guards...
6 May 2017, 06:14 AM
#1
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seriously, i avoid using em as much as rapid conscription. Just useless imo.
6 May 2017, 16:35 PM
#2
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Yes, it true that rapid conscription needs some love. For example buffing conscripts will be a good start to make both Soviets and rapid conscription far better
6 May 2017, 16:47 PM
#3
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Yes, it true that rapid conscription needs some love. For example buffing conscripts will be a good start to make both Soviets and rapid conscription far better
I agree with you here!
Kappa
6 May 2017, 16:51 PM
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Overnerfed, now they are used to feed the Fascisti free PTRS and LMGs.
6 May 2017, 16:54 PM
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I like their uniforms.
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6 May 2017, 17:01 PM
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Took a big nerf, penals can now fill their AT role as well as AI w/o upgrades + DSHK. They just don't really have a slot in the current soveit meta. It is for this reason guard motor has fallen from favor, along with that less HM-38 120mm mortars. Couple that with UKF landmattress nerf and USF turbo mortar nerf, you get OKW pak 43s meta. 
6 May 2017, 17:01 PM
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Well they are more useful when used in Halftracks. You can surprise an enemy by quickly disembarking a Halftrack while close to an enemy vehicle, activate Button on it and move in with a T34 or other AT and pound them to scrap.
6 May 2017, 17:02 PM
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120 Mortars are still seen here and there thanks to defensive doctrine, which ain't that bad IMO.
You can counter Pak43s with ToT Arty from Infantry Company!
You can counter Pak43s with ToT Arty from Infantry Company!
6 May 2017, 17:05 PM
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i dont think guards should drop dp28. the ptrs are enough frustration already when dropped
6 May 2017, 17:06 PM
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120 Mortars are still seen here and there thanks to defensive doctrine, which ain't that bad IMO.
You can counter Pak43s with ToT Arty from Infantry Company!
True, but why get m42 tiny at gun when you can call in M4C shermans.
6 May 2017, 17:08 PM
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True, but why get m42 tiny at gun when you can call in M4C shermans.
Because the mines are really good?
I think Soviet T4 is underrated.
6 May 2017, 18:35 PM
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Because the mines are really good?
I think Soviet T4 is underrated.
Actually tho. Katy hasn't been nerfed yet and t34s are only 80 fuel. I like to rush one in 1v1 before I start spamming m4cs everywhere.
Also worth noting that guards take muni for their DPs and can't fire them on the move (so they got two mosins shooting on the move when upgrades lol). Meanwhile penals don't have an AI upgrade and perform fine, leaving muni to spam demos or supply runs.
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6 May 2017, 21:29 PM
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give them one dp-28 upgrade for late game ?
1. Relic bans, not me. 2. It stands in the rules: If you are banned more often, the duration increase and can lead in the end to permaban 3. The Case is bigger as you guys think. So pls step 1 step away pls. 4. I am not a player in the 4vs4 cup, because of RL work.
7 May 2017, 05:34 AM
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I feel like they probably aren't quite worth their manpower upkeep currently.
Rapid conscription on the other hand is very good.
Rapid conscription on the other hand is very good.
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7 May 2017, 06:45 AM
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Took a big nerf, penals can now fill their AT role as well as AI w/o upgrades + DSHK. They just don't really have a slot in the current soveit meta. It is for this reason guard motor has fallen from favor, along with that less HM-38 120mm mortars. Couple that with UKF landmattress nerf and USF turbo mortar nerf, you get OKW pak 43s meta.
Exactly, the latest balance patch screwed again some things in my view. Not a good patch may I say.
Anyway, if playing against soviets, there is little point in trying to use some light vehicles as OH or OKW, the map is full with ptrs...
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
7 May 2017, 06:54 AM
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Exactly, the latest balance patch screwed again some things in my view. Not a good patch may I say.
Anyway, if playing against soviets, there is little point in trying to use some light vehicles as OH or OKW, the map is full with ptrs...
It wasn´t perfect, but it wasn´t bad either. It was a good patch that nerfed a lot of cancer and abuse. I just wish the scope for all light vehicle changes etc was still in effect before it hit.
Kappa
7 May 2017, 08:47 AM
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Permanently BannedBefore patch guards was good dancers, now you just pay for uniform and drop DP to give it.............for grens 
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Relic killing our game, lets save COH2 from Relic 
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If you're not a ахіs lover when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're not a soviet fanboy by the time you're 30, you have no brain.
Relic delenda est
If Dane will be have son, he will be call him (Sturmgeschütz)
Brotheres, what we do in coh2, ehoes in eternity
7 May 2017, 09:19 AM
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Posts: 951
Yeah, Guards took too much of a hit and doctrinal Soviet Elite Infantry all feel pretty useless at the moment.
Rapid Conscription, on the other hand, is incredible. Reduces MP bleed, works great with any strategy involving Penals and Cons.
Rapid Conscription, on the other hand, is incredible. Reduces MP bleed, works great with any strategy involving Penals and Cons.
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7 May 2017, 09:28 AM
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Posts: 493
They're meh, but what you gonna build otherwise? Shocks die fast on closing, cons good only for snare (last time I used ppsh ones they didn't worth too), penals not an option if you went T2. With meh guards you at least get meh long range power and meh button. Meh is better that uselessness.
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drops > mates > rng > pathfinding > ??? > skill
drops > mates > rng > pathfinding > ??? > skill
7 May 2017, 11:57 AM
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The answer to the question is the USF syndrome. What is the point in any USF elite infantry unit if their stock units get the job done?
As long as Soviet stock units continue being buffed Soviet call in units will become less and relevant. e
The Problem started from the fact that, instead of nerfing WFA armies to EFA level, some EFA units are being buffed to WFA level.
As long as Soviet stock units continue being buffed Soviet call in units will become less and relevant. e
The Problem started from the fact that, instead of nerfing WFA armies to EFA level, some EFA units are being buffed to WFA level.
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