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V1.7 UPDATE
GENERAL CHANGES
Base Structure Rotation

Soviets engineers and Wermacht Pioneers will be able to select the rotation of base buildings to allow players to optimize paths, as well as create unique layouts! Many thanks to community member Capiqua for implementing this functionality for the balance team.
Retreat Point Decongestion

Retreating infantry now stop their retreats within 10 yards from the respective armyâs HQ. This applies to the following armies:

Soviets
Wermacht
OKW (already applied in a previous version)
UKF

For USF, due to their USF base layout, retreating infantry will stop within 5 yards from the closest weapon rack.

To optimise healing performance, Wermacht players are strongly advised to place their healing bunkers as close to the broad side of their HQ as possible.
Handbrake Ability

Handbrake cooldown between toggle reduced from 1 second to 0.125 seconds (instant)

SOVIETS
T-70

We found that the projectile QoL change we added to the T-70 (projectile ignoring elevation), was causing the targeting system to become extremely unreliable, making it very difficult (and unintuitive) to get good performance out of the unit.

Moreover, we are improving the targeting of T-70 (distance_scatter_offset), so that it doesnât overshoot by as much as it currently does. With the previous targeting profile of the T-70, it was very difficult for the T-70 to engage infantry targets that were moving towards the T-70 (e.g., to faust it). This made kiting infantry particularly difficult to pull off.

Terrain-ignoring projectile QoL change reverted (this increases T-70 reliability)
Distance scatter offset reduced from 0.25 to 0.15 (this improves targeting)

WEHRMACHT
Medkit Ability (veterancy 1)

To put Wermacht Medkit cost more in-line with other healing abilities, we are reducing their cost.

Munitions cost reduced from 20 to 15

OKW
Panzer 2 'Luchs'

We are increasing the consistency of the damage output of the Luchs by eliminating sources of inconsistency other similar units do not normally suffer from.

We are increasing the moving accuracy multiplier the Luchs gets at Vet2, to compensate for the reduction of the base accuracy we introduced in the balance patch..

We are making the main gun of the Luchs ignore suppression modifiers of the target unit. This is to make the performance of the Luchs consistent with non-accuracy-based anti-infantry units (e.g., T70/Ostwind).

We are increasing the performance of Luchs when it closes in on enemy squads. With this change, the Luchs will ignore cover of nearby infantry units if driven up within 10m from them, (similar to small-arms fire weapons, i.e. the Point Blank mechanic)

With respect to scaling, we find the Veterancy 5 bonus of the Luchs to be over performing. Thus, we are changing the strong passive suppression of the Luchs to a weaker ability with a cooldown.

Finally, to ensure that Luchs has easier access to the entire array of veterancy bonuses, we are reducing the veterancy requirements to be more in line with other light tanks.

Veterancy 2 main gun moving accuracy multiplier increased from 0.4 to 0.5
Main gun suffers no accuracy penalty for firing against suppressed/pinned squads
Main gun ignores cover if driven within 10m from enemy squad (like all small-arms weapons)
Veterancy requirements lowered from 1170/2340/4680/5850/7781 to 870/1740/3480/4350/5786
Veterancy 5 passive turned to a timed âSuppressive Fireâ ability.
Suppresses enemy squads
10 Munition cost
20 seconds duration
60 seconds cooldown
Reduces main gun damage by -50%

BRITISH
AEC

With the PIATs opening up as an option for Brits, we feel that an AT-only AEC will see very little use. This is because both the PIATs and the AEC are meant to be used defensively. At the same time, fielding an AEC presents the Brit player with a higher risk than simply investing in infantry upgrades that can stay with them until the end of the game.

To avoid restoring AECâs generalist-tank status (which would make AEC-tech an one-way), we are modifying AECâs abilities to make its strengths and weaknesses more pronounced, and allow the AEC to be used more offensively (where PIATs would be lacking).

The new AEC is a Puma-like vehicle, with very little AI. It is supposed to assist infantry pushes with its smoke screen (rather than with raw firepower, as is the case in the live version). As added utility to the British faction, the AEC is supposed to provide the snares the faction, otherwise, lacks.

Compared to the Puma, the AEC has lower range, and worse mobility. However, the AEC makes up for that with better on-the-move accuracy, and better turret traverse. That way, the AEC is meant to be the close-range âflankerâ counterpart to the long-range âkiterâ Puma.

As a final note, we expect that the turret traverse improvements will make it easier for the AEC to line the shots needed to trigger the treadshot âimmobilizeâ critical.

Smoke cooldown reduced from 120 seconds to 40 seconds (puma cooldown is 38 secs)
AEC moving accuracy multiplier increased from 0.5 to 0.6 (only affects the main attack)
AEC turret rotation increased from 35 to 40 (affects both the main gun and the treadshot ability)

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Smaller, fine tuning changes. I like.

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I'm wondering how well the aec will work in its new role since it's kinda squishy to be getting in close like that. Also, in live version it has abysmal moving accuracy. That's been totally changed?

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Yards? Then tell me how much is near/far in yards.

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long live the scope!

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28 Jan 2017, 06:51 AMLoopDloop

I'm wondering how well the aec will work in its new role since it's kinda squishy to be getting in close like that. Also, in live version it has abysmal moving accuracy. That's been totally changed?

AEC accuracy (stationary and moving) has been increased to match the Puma already from v1.0. With v1.7 it also gets +20% accuracy on the move than the Puma for equal ranges (0.6 vs 0.5).

28 Jan 2017, 10:21 AMBartonPL

long live the scope!

Technically, from our part, the patch is nearly done. To be completely done we need specific feedback about specific vehicles. i.e., how people used the vehicles and why said vehicle was OP/UP in that role. Attaching a replay in that comment will also help us identify whether there was something else going on.

You have a great idea that improves the QoL aspects of the game? Please, drop your idea here:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/57860/some-qol-suggestions

Check out Cruzz's DPS calculator:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7gwy65JLbSRMEJ3M2ZPandMMW8/view?usp=sharing
(Download the file, open it with your browser)

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28 Jan 2017, 10:44 AMMr.Smith

Technically, from our part, the patch is nearly done. To be completely done we need specific feedback about specific vehicles. i.e., how people used the vehicles and why said vehicle was OP/UP in that role. Attaching a replay in that comment will also help us identify whether there was something else going on.

The patch won´t be satisfying with at least an Ostheer Panther buff since it comes later than the OKW one and is worse (MGs, reload). That rate of fire is appaling. For a faction that was supposed to have an additional tier the Panther is simply unsatisfying. Worse the Brits who were supposed to be on par with Ostheer lategame simply dominate with their Cromwells and Comets. The Panther has no utility whatsoever.

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28 Jan 2017, 10:44 AMMr.Smith

AEC accuracy (stationary and moving) has been increased to match the Puma already from v1.0. With v1.7 it also gets +20% accuracy on the move than the Puma for equal ranges (0.6 vs 0.5).

Technically, from our part, the patch is nearly done. To be completely done we need specific feedback about specific vehicles. i.e., how people used the vehicles and why said vehicle was OP/UP in that role. Attaching a replay in that comment will also help us identify whether there was something else going on.

That means penals won´t have PTRS ?

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I'm not active recently, so let me catch it up...

We've been testing PTRS for Penals for almost entire WBP but it won't be included in the patch? Right?

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28 Jan 2017, 11:00 AMAustralian Magic

I'm not active recently, so let me catch it up...

We've been testing PTRS for Penals for almost entire WBP but it won't be included in the patch? Right?

Yes, because they were proven sh*t.
Or Am I misin something as well ?

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28 Jan 2017, 11:00 AM__deleted__

That means penals won´t have PTRS ?

28 Jan 2017, 11:00 AMAustralian Magic

I'm not active recently, so let me catch it up...

We've been testing PTRS for Penals for almost entire WBP but it won't be included in the patch? Right?

We don't know yet. What we've done is we have tested two variants; one with PTRS, one without PTRS. This is the second week for the variant without PTRS.

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28 Jan 2017, 11:05 AM__deleted__

Yes, because they were proven sh*t.
Or Am I misin something as well ?

Shit but still better (different, diverse) than ppsh + flamer.

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To put Wermacht Medkit cost more in-line with other healing abilities, we are reducing their cost.

Munitions cost reduced from 20 to 15

i dont think i have ever seen someone use this ability

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I find it appalling how small the patch has become, especially since we had to wait 9 months for a balance patch. Although I like the changes, and they are good, I must ask, will the next patch be as small as wpb 1.7? If so, do we have to wait another 9 months for it again?

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28 Jan 2017, 11:14 AMDAZ187

To put Wermacht Medkit cost more in-line with other healing abilities, we are reducing their cost.

Munitions cost reduced from 20 to 15

i dont think i have ever seen someone use this ability

The sum total of changes to the ability from v1.0 to v1.7 are:

- Medkits duration increased from 10 to 20 (will now heal to full)
- Cost reduced from 20 munitions to 15 munitions
- Squads can now use the medkit ability on themselves
- It is now possible to interrupt the casting of OST Medkits
- Fixed a bug where OST medic supplies would heal in-combat squads

If people insist on not using that ability, it's their fault, not ours.

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28 Jan 2017, 11:20 AMMr.Smith

- Squads can now use the medkit ability on themselves

this is a great change

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28 Jan 2017, 11:14 AMDAZ187

To put Wermacht Medkit cost more in-line with other healing abilities, we are reducing their cost.

Munitions cost reduced from 20 to 15

i dont think i have ever seen someone use this ability

It's a preetty good ability now. It won't replace the medic bunker (and shouldn't) in most 'normal' builds, but it's an awesome situational ability that let's you hold ground better and bleed less.

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28 Jan 2017, 11:20 AMMr.Smith

The sum total of changes to the ability from v1.0 to v1.7 are:

- Medkits duration increased from 10 to 20 (will now heal to full)
- Cost reduced from 20 munitions to 15 munitions
- Squads can now use the medkit ability on themselves
- It is now possible to interrupt the casting of OST Medkits
- Fixed a bug where OST medic supplies would heal in-combat squads

If people insist on not using that ability, it's their fault, not ours.

Still waiting for shocks tripwire flare

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28 Jan 2017, 10:44 AMMr.Smith

AEC accuracy (stationary and moving) has been increased to match the Puma already from v1.0. With v1.7 it also gets +20% accuracy on the move than the Puma for equal ranges (0.6 vs 0.5).

Technically, from our part, the patch is nearly done. To be completely done we need specific feedback about specific vehicles. i.e., how people used the vehicles and why said vehicle was OP/UP in that role. Attaching a replay in that comment will also help us identify whether there was something else going on.

AEC always been shadow for Valentine now i can bring in Valentine for Anti intantry tools xD

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Mainline infantry is realatively balanced. So this self heal is questionable.
In comparision IS self heal is very strong and not OP overall because of absence of base heal.

In that case there is self heal AND base heal. They try to make existing ability iseful but grens are worst unit to play against already. They dont drop models unless wiped by random shell.

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噗露露特
138
87
.613
+3
7.
Bulbasaur
463
299
.608
+2
8.
BATTLEDANNY1
482
333
.591
-1
9.
King of Lee
681
537
.559
+2
10.
フンッ！逃げるつもりかい！！
422
316
.572
+2

                    

                        1.
-虎贲-快樂的小蝸牛-HOI-
831
222
.789
+37
2.
MoronPark_Cat YE
349
57
.860
+14
3.
若批评不自由，则赞美无意义
1109
614
.644
+10
4.
渣渣！反了他！欧布艹了你爸!气死偶嘞
608
220
.734
+2
5.
ker_141
276
108
.719
+27
6.
vonLewinski
305
114
.728
+1
7.
Bober
916
405
.693
-2
8.
阿萨塔
722
440
.621
+4
9.
cblanco ★
261
137
.656
+2
10.
Искусство ZZ
1041
674
.607
-2

                    

                        1.
☞ ps3YES ☜
2014
1083
.650
+9
2.
IncaUna
569
354
.616
-1
3.
HazardousMoose
427
271
.612
+2
4.
DIRTY_FINISHER
1677
922
.645
+2
5.
[虎贲] Leng Mo
118
49
.707
+9
6.
TheMeowGamer
101
36
.737
+4
7.
Flap
434
208
.676
+3
8.
✠Kaiser✠ PERVITIN
189
101
.652
+1
9.
【Clannad】
209
68
.755
+7
10.
André
288
121
.704
-1

                    

                        1.
Thales
755
286
.725
+3
2.
Peppa
215
90
.705
+18
3.
Jerry
169
48
.779
-1
4.
Remder
603
178
.772
+3
5.
Restzeit
1015
554
.647
+6
6.
André
981
427
.697
+3
7.
Riiiiina
324
127
.718
+12
8.
★Osas
359
155
.698
-1
9.
Ovidiu
1428
715
.666
-1
10.
SoE-Sturmpanther
360
59
.859
+2

                    

                        1.
玛丽猫猫
568
415
.578
+2
2.
Tharrats
776
618
.557
+6
3.
Shrimp
232
122
.655
+2
4.
BATTLEDANNY1
398
285
.583
+1
5.
黎霏洺
311
206
.602
+2
6.
ukill
194
157
.553
+10
7.
一个坏人
133
47
.739
+3
8.
King of Lee
239
169
.586
+5
9.
Puppetmaster
250
135
.649
+1
10.
Pelta
197
159
.553
+1

                    

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