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Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.6 Update

Winter Balance 1.6 Notes here -->

V1.6 UPDATE
REVERTED CHANGES

With the Winter Balance Preview now passing the half-way mark of its iteration period, moving forward we have decided to narrow the scope to essential changes only. This has been done to ensure the results of the changes made to units that are currently having the most significant impact on balance and the meta can be properly tracked and their performance measured. This will also help make the changes more concise and allow the community to focus on a smaller scale of changes in order to provide more accurate and higher quality feedback.

The following units have had their changes reverted:

M3A1 Scout Car
M5 HT (This does not affect Quad upgrade changes)
SU-76
M20 (this includes the bazooka vehicle crew changes)
M3
M5 (This does not affect Quad upgrade changes)
Raketenwerfer (the aiming time QoL change remains, however)
Kubelwagen
Universal Carrier (including WASP)
251 FlameHT
Puma (the OST Puma TWP change remains, to keep it consistent with the Stug-E)

The reverts do not affect any QoL changes introduced in the aforementioned units (e.g,. Hold fire, handbrake, shared veterancy for reinforcement halftracks, etc). Although these changes have been removed from this patch, it does not mean they will not be added in future, sequential updates.

SOVIETS
Penal Battalions

We are trialing a new iteration for Penal battalions, so as to minimize the amount of overlap they have with other squads in the soviet union.

With this iteration, we aim to give Penals the ability to be able to dissuade vehicles from being too aggressive vs Penal squads, while allowing vehicles to safely engage Penal squads from a distance. Thus, vehicle counter-play to T1 openings will have a direct effect on the conclusion of the conflict. We have also increased the popcap cost of Penal battalions to offset this increase in utility.

PTRS Package Removed
Orrah at Veterancy 2 Removed
Veterancy requirements increased from 540/1080/2160 to 640/1280/2560
Population from 7 to 8
Satchels can now target and track vehicles. Will cause engine damage on target.
Flamethrower Package now provides 3 PPsHs that do not take up item slots.
Flamerthrower cost from 60 to 70
Flamethrower locked behind Molotov Upgrade
Veterancy 3 Received accuracy from -23% to -15%.
Satchel cost at veterancy 3 from 45 to 35.

Comparison to v1.5 Penals:

Popcap cost increased from 7 popcap to 8 popcap
Lose access to Molotov (Conscript overlap)
Lose access to the PTRS upgrade (Guards overlap; too many Penal-exclusive upgrades were promoting Penal-only builds)
Gain access to AT satchel by default (essentially the satchel ability takes on the engine-damage and tracking features of AT satchel introduced in v1.5, except for the heavy-engine-damage feature).

Comparison to live-version Penals:

Popcap cost increased from 7 popcap to 8 popcap
Satchel can behave like a vehicle snare
Veterancy requirements increased
Vet3 RA reduced
Vet2 oorah removed
Flamer locked behind molotov
Flamer now takes up both slots and forces the squad to get 2-3 ppsh bundled with it to reduce all-range potency
Veterancy 3 reduces the cost of the satchel ability from 45 munitions to 35 munitions.

Penal satchel now behaves as follows:

Damage vs vehicles reduced to 240 (same as AT satchel)
Friendly fire multiplier increased from 25% to 50%
Causes engine snare on targets with 75% HP or lower (after the damage is applied)
Satchel will stick to vehicles if it hits them on its trajectory to the target
Satchels can be targeted directly on enemy vehicles. However, the throw will abort if, at any time, the target leaves the range of the ability (unlike other snare abilities that will fire regardless)

We expect that the ability of Penal squads to have tech-free snare will allow unique synergy to come to light:
A player that builds T1 to start their aggression can tech to T2 to buy an AT guy without having the risk of having their only AT gun flanked by singular light vehicles. Now, Penal battalions can provide flanking protection to the AT guns
Penals can satchel vehicles snared by other units (e.g., guards button)
T-70

In order to reward players that have managed to preserve their T-70s while using them aggressively, we are improving T-70âs accuracy vs infantry at Vet3. This will allow vetted T-70âs to perform a bit closer to current game performance if the enemy has chosen to ignore them.

We are also making some QoL changes to T-70âs Recon mode and Capture point abilities. The following quality of life changes are to reduce the amount of micro to access the T-70âs numerous abilities and consolidate them into one for ease of use. Players could already have both Recon mode and capture territory active at the same time. With these changes we are simply reducing the amount of âclicksâ required.

T-70 Recon Mode now also allows the T-70 to capture territory with veterancy 1.
Capture Point ability removed.
Fixed an issue where a recrewed vet 2 T-70 using recon mode was unable to toggle the ability off.
Veterancy 3 decreases weapon scatter by 20% (accuracy vs infantry)

BRITISH
AEC

Given the partial revert given to the Puma, and in order to keep AECâs performance consistent with the Puma, we introduce the following changes:
MG incremental accuracy increased from 1 to 1.12 to match the Puma (original value in live-version was 1.04)
Near-AoE damage multiplier reverted from 0.33 to 1 to match the Puma

UI IMPROVEMENTS

Planting the Soviet demo charge will show a radius of explosion, like other similar abilities while planting it (similar to USF/UKF abilities)

Feedback thread -->

Mod workshop location-->

Please post replays here-->

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Can someone make full list of changes whitch are of force in 1v6 ? Also with all numerical changes. THX

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Wait. You literaly only nerfed already weak penals in 1v5. I thought they were getting some buffs to AI department with removal of AT. Or Am I missing something ?

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please leave the flamer halftrack finally alone.

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nice joke

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20 Jan 2017, 18:15 PM__deleted__

Wait. You literaly only nerfed already weak penals in 1v5. I thought they were getting some buffs to AI department with removal of AT. Or Am I missing something ?

They get access to the AT satchel, vanilla. i.e., the AT satchel is no longer locked behind the PTRS upgrade

You have a great idea that improves the QoL aspects of the game? Please, drop your idea here:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/57860/some-qol-suggestions

Check out Cruzz's DPS calculator:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7gwy65JLbSRMEJ3M2ZPandMMW8/view?usp=sharing
(Download the file, open it with your browser)

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Well done on reducing the 1.5 omni-potency of Penals. A flavoured infantry unit representing a niche role/historical theme should not be taking over roles of core/elite squads like Conscripts and Guards. A step in the right direction.

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IDK but the whole problem of T1 non-viability is the fact that it has 0 counter to light vehicle rush.
So it will be guards docs every game again.

Maybe add m42 to T1 as 4th unit if ptrs is out.

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cool cool cool

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So the M20 will keep costing 340 MP?

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The reverted light vehicle changes may come back in a later update or a later version of WBP? I liked them

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20 Jan 2017, 18:23 PMaaa

IDK but the whole problem of T1 non-viability is the fact that it has 0 counter to light vehicle rush.

So it will be guards docs every game again.

that's the way T1 always worked.

T1 -> good AI, weak Anti vehicle
T2 -> weak AI, good anti vehicle.

that's one of the chore mecanic of coh 2 balance between ost & soviet and it is good to see it again.

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has this game only become about penals? locking flamers behind molly really? is merging the AT nades and mollys into one packaged too much work? i guess 2k17 is all about NOT IN SCOPE.

1. Relic bans, not me. 2. It stands in the rules: If you are banned more often, the duration increase and can lead in the end to permaban 3. The Case is bigger as you guys think. So pls step 1 step away pls. 4. I am not a player in the 4vs4 cup, because of RL work.

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20 Jan 2017, 18:29 PMMuad'Dib

The reverted light vehicle changes may come back in a later update or a later version of WBP? I liked them

Later version of WBP, I'd say is extremely unlikely. The Scope stepped in, and demanded a sacrifice in volume of changes to keep patch to a minimum.

The only way we will be seeing them back is if the community steps up and request them (e.g., for a future minor update).

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20 Jan 2017, 18:15 PM__deleted__

Wait. You literaly only nerfed already weak penals in 1v5. I thought they were getting some buffs to AI department with removal of AT. Or Am I missing something ?

lol

I know this is bait, but still, lol

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20 Jan 2017, 18:32 PMMr.Smith

Later version of WBP, I'd say is extremely unlikely. The Scope stepped in, and demanded a sacrifice in volume of changes to keep patch to a minimum.

The only way we will be seeing them back is if the community steps up and request them (e.g., for a future minor update).

Wait, so you didn't just pull them out because they were already good and didn't need more testing? You pulled them out because Relic says patch is too big and they can't make it to the final version?

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20 Jan 2017, 18:19 PMMr.Smith

They get access to the AT satchel, vanilla. i.e., the AT satchel is no longer locked behind the PTRS upgrade

The Penal PTRS upgrade was good. If the number of PTRS was the problem, simply increase PTRS for veterancy (start with 1 PTRS, add one PTRS for vet 1, add another one for vet 3)

Guard could use bazooka instead of PTRS (IIRC in MoW Guard use lend-lease bazooka as their AT weapon) so no overlap. They can come to the field with one bazooka and another one lock behind vet.

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One way or another soft cointer to LV rush should exist in T1. Or best docs are out of the game as it is now.
One option is M42 plus much longer repair time for light vehicles. Now they hit mine repair it in 10 sec as if nothing happened.

Ptrs penals would do well if their AI is removed and sprint is available to run away from infantry. So dedicated AT unit.

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Guys, regarding T1 anti-vehicle counters, please be aware that Penal satchels now act as a snare. It's not the best snare in the game, but it will probably be good enough to hold vehicles at bay.

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I feel a lot more confident in the balance team with 1.5 and 1.6.

Could you round down some of the more gratuitous decimals in the mod? Maybe down to the hundredth? Right now, we have decimals to the thousandth and ten- and hundred-thousandth.

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+2
7.
玛丽猫猫
834
718
.537
+7
8.
King of Lee
672
533
.558
+2
9.
奔跑的兔子CN
549
394
.582
-1
10.
bilibili24511298丶无赖哥
1249
980
.560
+10

                    

                        1.
Krakenn
829
222
.789
+35
2.
MoronPark_Cat YE
349
57
.860
+14
3.
Krakenn
587
233
.716
+3
4.
Krakenn
1095
612
.641
+19
5.
Bober
882
398
.689
+4
6.
micmillan2
280
162
.633
+8
7.
Искусство ZZ
997
646
.607
+1
8.
Refero
379
114
.769
+1
9.
vonLewinski
300
113
.726
-1
10.
【HWG】W
717
439
.620
+1

                    

                        1.
☞ ps3YES ☜
2006
1083
.649
+1
2.
Flap
425
204
.676
+5
3.
DIRTY_FINISHER
1658
917
.644
-1
4.
TheMeowGamer
96
34
.738
+4
5.
【Clannad】
209
68
.755
+7
6.
✠Kaiser✠ PERVITIN
188
101
.651
-2
7.
André
240
101
.704
-1
8.
[虎贲] Leng Mo
109
48
.694
-1
9.
jager man
106
33
.763
-1
10.
☠R.i.P☠.PollitoConPapas
203
54
.790
+11

                    

                        1.
Yox
188
40
.825
+21
2.
Thales
752
285
.725
+2
3.
Tom
168
47
.781
+24
4.
Remder
597
177
.771
+4
5.
Ovidiu
1376
685
.668
-1
6.
André
966
419
.697
+1
7.
Kamooos
241
119
.669
-2
8.
★Osas
356
152
.701
+7
9.
Riiiiina
323
127
.718
+11
10.
Shifty
179
105
.630
+2

                    

                        1.
Mark
75
54
.581
+1
2.
nuclear taipei
722
578
.555
-3
3.
BATTLEDANNY1
397
285
.582
-1
4.
Per Aspera ad astra
274
221
.554
+1
5.
玛丽猫猫
566
415
.577
-1
6.
ukill
194
157
.553
+10
7.
Tharrats
760
609
.555
+2
8.
同时出击吧！
307
201
.604
-1
9.
Shrimp
230
121
.655
-1
10.
Admonten
178
172
.509
+1

                    

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