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Mods pls, this is turning into a dangerous thread! Soon we will have wars of fanboyism on here! Act swiftly!

Mods ... swiftly!

I see what you did there

This thread is just bugged (can't move it to strategy). I hoped for the "it will eventually fix" on itself but it proved to be ineffective.

Feel free to copy paste and ask for help here.

https://www.coh2.org/forum/18/strategy-desk or https://www.coh2.org/forum/111/ukf-strategies

Locked down.

Edit: can't even lock down.

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I REALLY want to like this game,my almost 140hr proves it.

I have 4800 hours and I still hate the game lol.

Heres how my usual match goes: I run straight to a fuelpoint (as i know if they get it its essentially game over for us.), they greet my squad with the axis engineer squad, they completely rip me a new one and i have to fall back. By now they've taken half the map and hold the starpoints, and have spammed mgs in buildings. I try to smoke and throw a grenade at them, nothing happens except they lose a few healthpoints. Now they pin my troops and i have to fall back again. Then its just steady downhill from there. Even if i would flank the mgs my troops just cant kill them and they get wiped out. This game is extremely frustrating in this matter. Countless hours me and my friend have hit our head against the wall because it feels so overwhelmingly difficult to counter a single unit, let alone with other units supporting them. I've tried all of the advices here, none worked. Winning doesn't feel like an achievement since we either completely stomp our opponent and its evident they either afk or just somehow are even more terrible than us or then we just get annihilated completely. Even though my post was emotional and ranty i hope you can atleast try to understand where i'm coming from: I've been actually lurking these forums for a while because i was convinced that i was doing something wrong. I tried to look for counter strats or tips on how to do certain things (i.e counter german mgs) but all i've tried have not worked. It just feels like the enemy just walks through my units without effort, and if with almost 150hrs now i'm considered a total noob without any possible lack of sense about the game then damn is this game one of the hardest out there. I mean, 150hrs, is that REALLY so little? Not trying to rant this time just honestly a little surprised.

So im sorry i was not constructive enough, i understand. And im thankful to the people who tried to give me sound advice regardless. Just to clarify: I was not speaking solely about mg bunkers, i presented myself poorly. I just mainly struggle against mgs in buildings.

My god, complain about germans mgs?

Wanna see you versus maxpins spam! LOL!

Or brit mg, that pin instantly with a good range like mg42 (but mg42 dont pin soo fast).

Thread moved from balance to strategy desk.

seems like we should buff bofors and all emplacements in general!!!

MG spam is total balls. I can't go a single match without the Ostheer guy making 6 MG42s and his friend picking an artillery commander to annihilate us. It's not even worth playing.

Heres how my usual match goes: I run straight to a fuelpoint (as i know if they get it its essentially game over for us.), they greet my squad with the axis engineer squad, they completely rip me a new one and i have to fall back. By now they've taken half the map and hold the starpoints, and have spammed mgs in buildings. I try to smoke and throw a grenade at them, nothing happens except they lose a few healthpoints. Now they pin my troops and i have to fall back again. Then its just steady downhill from there. Even if i would flank the mgs my troops just cant kill them and they get wiped out. This game is extremely frustrating in this matter. Countless hours me and my friend have hit our head against the wall because it feels so overwhelmingly difficult to counter a single unit, let alone with other units supporting them. I've tried all of the advices here, none worked. Winning doesn't feel like an achievement since we either completely stomp our opponent and its evident they either afk or just somehow are even more terrible than us or then we just get annihilated completely. Even though my post was emotional and ranty i hope you can atleast try to understand where i'm coming from: I've been actually lurking these forums for a while because i was convinced that i was doing something wrong. I tried to look for counter strats or tips on how to do certain things (i.e counter german mgs) but all i've tried have not worked. It just feels like the enemy just walks through my units without effort, and if with almost 150hrs now i'm considered a total noob without any possible lack of sense about the game then damn is this game one of the hardest out there. I mean, 150hrs, is that REALLY so little? Not trying to rant this time just honestly a little surprised.

So im sorry i was not constructive enough, i understand. And im thankful to the people who tried to give me sound advice regardless. Just to clarify: I was not speaking solely about mg bunkers, i presented myself poorly. I just mainly struggle against mgs in buildings.

After 150 hours I finally became good enough to be considered a noob/very poor player. I think you're around the same or behind my progress back then, dude. I have 1500 hours in the game and I still don't counter HMGs very well. At lower levels of skill, things like MGs and emplacements see a lot more value because they're low-micro, low-skill options, while a Light Vehicle in the hands of a weak player is often just wasted fuel. I'd definitely agree with you that the design is somewhat problematic - the MG42s is a very noob-friendly unit, which is why at your extremely low level of play, Axis would feel completely OP despite the superior Allied infantry and artillery.

Infantry Sections (your faction infantry) is the best mainline in the game in pure infantry combat - you should never ever struggle against Pioneers. If you're losing to Sturmpioneers that's normal, but then the whole complaint about MG42 shouldn't exist. A replay would probably help us to understand all the mistakes you're making.

Why dont you smoke that MG to avoid supresión, and run directly whit a f##### bomb on your hand s? Or burn?

Do you have a replay? It's much easier to give strategic advice if we can see what you're doing.

they greet my squad with the axis engineer squad, they completely rip me a new one and i have to fall back.

That shouldn't be happening against an Infantry Section if you're sticking to cover. If you're moving all the time and staying out of cover I can see how the Pioneers might take the advantage.

A few useful things to know (apologies if I'm telling you things you already know):

• All units are less accurate on the move. Close range units with fast firing weapons have smaller movement penalties.
  
• Cover is incredibly powerful. Light cover halves your "received accuracy" which is the likelihood of shots to hit you: the enemy will miss more. Heavy cover gives this bonus and halves the damage you take.
  
• UKF infantry get cover bonuses on top of this but they're also weaker out of cover than other faction units.
  

You say you can flank MGs which means you've got most of the solution down already. MGs in buildings can be difficult to deal with. What you need is a way to force them out.

In most factions the answer to this is indirect fire. The other four factions get a mobile mortar with a smoke barrage to blind MGs so you can flank them and a High Explosive barrage to kill MGs that refuse to move. UKF's mortar is a very expensive static emplacement. If you can get this up and defend it you can drive HMGs out of every building in barrage range. You don't always have that option though.

The most effective way to clear a building is fire. Unless you have the Mobile Assault Regiment commander which allows Sappers to equip flamethrowers your flamethrower is on the Universal Carrier. If you aren't good with light vehicles this can be a difficult unit to use but if you can get the hang of light vehicle micro this'll burn out those HMGs with little trouble provided you stay out of their firing arc.

Another excellent option against HMGs but a micro-heavy one is the Sniper. This unit can attack HMGs from outside their range. You've got to be careful with your sniper because if the enemy can close on it it'll die but if you can learn to use this unit well you can pick off HMG models with impunity. An HMG spammer will have limited options to fight back against this unit because they've spent all their manpower on barely mobile HMGs and if they're sticking to buildings they physically can't close in. The trick to using a sniper is to attack move it so that it always fires at maximum range and to fall back if any enemy unit tries to get near it.

You can exploit flanks on garrisoned HMGs with your upgrades. UKF can unlock infantry grenades fairly cheaply: chuck one of these at a building and that HMG's going to get hurt. Chuck two at it and that HMG's dead. You could also give one of your Infantry sections Howitzer flares. Throw one of those at a building and your base howitzers will bombard it. It's 45 munitions but the HMG's got to leave that building or die.

Also remember that HMGs can't garrison buildings you control. Take advantage of that early on: if there's a building covering your fuel that the enemy HMG always takes then take it yourself with your starting squad. Build an HMG as your first unit, stick it in the building your Infantry Section is holding and then your Infantry section can cap points while your HMG covers them.

Finally, consider building a couple of HMGs of your own. HMG spammers usually have poor micro of their own and will struggle against their own tactics.

,my almost 140hr proves it.

It is equal around 2 -3 min to any other game.
In COH2 you can be mediocre player with 1000-1500 hours

Sorry in advance for killing truth

Do you have a replay? It's much easier to give strategic advice if we can see what you're doing.



That shouldn't be happening against an Infantry Section if you're sticking to cover. If you're moving all the time and staying out of cover I can see how the Pioneers might take the advantage.

A few useful things to know (apologies if I'm telling you things you already know):

• All units are less accurate on the move. Close range units with fast firing weapons have smaller movement penalties.
  
• Cover is incredibly powerful. Light cover halves your "received accuracy" which is the likelihood of shots to hit you: the enemy will miss more. Heavy cover gives this bonus and halves the damage you take.
  
• UKF infantry get cover bonuses on top of this but they're also weaker out of cover than other faction units.
  

You say you can flank MGs which means you've got most of the solution down already. MGs in buildings can be difficult to deal with. What you need is a way to force them out.

In most factions the answer to this is indirect fire. The other four factions get a mobile mortar with a smoke barrage to blind MGs so you can flank them and a High Explosive barrage to kill MGs that refuse to move. UKF's mortar is a very expensive static emplacement. If you can get this up and defend it you can drive HMGs out of every building in barrage range. You don't always have that option though.

The most effective way to clear a building is fire. Unless you have the Mobile Assault Regiment commander which allows Sappers to equip flamethrowers your flamethrower is on the Universal Carrier. If you aren't good with light vehicles this can be a difficult unit to use but if you can get the hang of light vehicle micro this'll burn out those HMGs with little trouble provided you stay out of their firing arc.

Another excellent option against HMGs but a micro-heavy one is the Sniper. This unit can attack HMGs from outside their range. You've got to be careful with your sniper because if the enemy can close on it it'll die but if you can learn to use this unit well you can pick off HMG models with impunity. An HMG spammer will have limited options to fight back against this unit because they've spent all their manpower on barely mobile HMGs and if they're sticking to buildings they physically can't close in. The trick to using a sniper is to attack move it so that it always fires at maximum range and to fall back if any enemy unit tries to get near it.

You can exploit flanks on garrisoned HMGs with your upgrades. UKF can unlock infantry grenades fairly cheaply: chuck one of these at a building and that HMG's going to get hurt. Chuck two at it and that HMG's dead. You could also give one of your Infantry sections Howitzer flares. Throw one of those at a building and your base howitzers will bombard it. It's 45 munitions but the HMG's got to leave that building or die.

Also remember that HMGs can't garrison buildings you control. Take advantage of that early on: if there's a building covering your fuel that the enemy HMG always takes then take it yourself with your starting squad. Build an HMG as your first unit, stick it in the building your Infantry Section is holding and then your Infantry section can cap points while your HMG covers them.

Finally, consider building a couple of HMGs of your own. HMG spammers usually have poor micro of their own and will struggle against their own tactics.

This is a good post. I wish I had read something like it some time ago.

I'm by no means a pro, and in the 220 hour range, but maybe being in comparable time/skill level will be more helpful than yet another "lol allies OP l2p" post.

One thing worth mentioning is that in a team game, especially if it's an arranged team (and OP did mention he plays with a friend, so I assume you're on voice-chat too) you should work to support one another's weaknesses. Nearly all my 2v2s are with a friend on Discord, and so we often will work together for a specific act. It's particularly useful if you play two different factions that can complement one another (UKF + SOV power combo, for example).

Early on, when a sturm pio or MG42 is in a key area, you can try to support one another to compensate for the disadvantage. What I mean is that maybe you don't have a mortar but your buddy does, and can smoke. Or maybe he has a flamer unit, or vice versa. Sometimes it's just a question of adding one more squad, even combat engineers or rear echelon, to flank and get some extra DPS in. Infantry Sections are definitely legit but are basically gambling when up against sturm pios or grens, so even just a 10% extra damage boost from a non-core unit can turn the tide easily.

I remember two games, back to back, against the same people that went very differently (same map too, road to Karkov) where first game we lost because we split up and got bled, then were locked out due to MG + flak trak. The second game, we pooled up early on and got a squad wipe and pushed ahead -- after that, we locked the map down and ran the game. That early engagement isn't a guarantee win, but it can give you a huge boost up, especially if you wipe a 300 manpower squad or deny them fuel long enough to put out a light tank before them.

Often enough we'll even delegate specific roles -- "I'm getting AT gun for halftrak, so stick to MGs and infantry" etc. The Brit armored car is also no joke, and possibly one of my favorite light vehicles for its utility and speed. It can also ensure you don't have to deal with a flak trak or a flamer half track which are also nightmares for infantry focused builds.

Though there is this -- if you are playing against Ostheer, don't waste any time at all. Just get a mortar or some other indirect fire as soon as you can. It's not a question of if, but rather "how many" MG42s you're going to go up against; their ability to suppress and pin is the best, so you should focus on starting up with a counter.

Some maps I affectionately refer to as "machine gun alley" or "machine gun hell".