Why the flamer HT is not addressed in WBP?

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2016, 02:57 AMbert69

dude with the soviet aa halftrack, you could literally beat an at gun and gren squad combo just by using a shotblocker and its vet 1 ability. A flanking aa ht can clear two at guns in a few seconds. How is that not calling for a nerf? It was op because it had dropped models so quickly and yet supressed at the same time. The flame ht is good because it does sustained damage over time if you stand in it.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2016, 02:57 AMbert69

dude with the soviet aa halftrack, you could literally beat an at gun and gren squad combo just by using a shotblocker and its vet 1 ability. A flanking aa ht can clear two at guns in a few seconds. How is that not calling for a nerf? It was op because it had dropped models so quickly and yet supressed at the same time. The flame ht is good because it does sustained damage over time if you stand in it.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2016, 03:12 AM__deleted__

Flame HT is fine. Its fragile and can be countered easily.

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2016, 03:37 AMkingdun3284

We are talking about balace, right?
Why do they nerf M20,M15 AA,M5 Quad, Luch and T70 in WBP while you can just keep your distance or build an ATG to prevent them from wiping your squad or counter them?

I would like to quote the reasons in WBP to nerf these unit.

M17 Quad:
"We wanted to tone down the performance of the Quad to be in-line with Light Tanks and other suppression platforms. In order to make infantry counters to this unit viable, the M17 can no longer suppress enemy squads on the move."from WBP

Just keep your distance man?

T70:
"We feel that the T-70’s high damage and AOE allowed it to wipe infantry too effectively, particularly if they are clumped in cover."from WBP

Just keep your distance man again?

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2016, 08:11 AMmiragefla

As has been stated, it has more counters in the form of handheld AT and it has been indirectly nerfed due to 222s being harder to obtain. Spacing is more a maybe due to the fact the AOE is pretty large and if you touch cover, everyone is likely taking a DoT.
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Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2016, 03:26 AMMistah_S

I have never seen one past vet 1

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2016, 09:18 AMDonnieChan

Jesus Christ... leave the flamer halftrack alone

houses are OP anyway with that non-existing cover malus, in- and out hopping mechanic and the "rush to cutoff/fuel house right at the start meta". when you're too stupid to use the insane sight range of a house to see the flamer halftrack coming you've deserved the wipe 3 times. you can also use the house to bait for mine and at gun traps and whatnot...


instead start looking at the REAL ISSUES of the game:

püppchen constantly missing crucial first shots + not being able to fire at trenches.

Comets

Free Recon planes

Arty Cover ...

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2016, 09:18 AMDonnieChan

Jesus Christ... leave the flamer halftrack alone

houses are OP anyway with that non-existing cover malus, in- and out hopping mechanic and the "rush to cutoff/fuel house right at the start meta". when you're too stupid to use the insane sight range of a house to see the flamer halftrack coming you've deserved the wipe 3 times. you can also use the house to bait for mine and at gun traps and whatnot...


instead start looking at the REAL ISSUES of the game:

püppchen constantly missing crucial first shots + not being able to fire at trenches.

Comets

Free Recon planes

Arty Cover ...

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2016, 06:37 AMMoerserKarL

there is no problem with the flame ht. Maybe a l2p issue here.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2016, 08:11 AMmiragefla

The flame track will likely be getting its flamer damage against garrisons adjusted at some point to stop it from being instant death to weapon teams that it even looks at. That's probably all the upgraded unit will receive.

As has been stated, it has more counters in the form of handheld AT and it has been indirectly nerfed due to 222s being harder to obtain. Spacing is more a maybe due to the fact the AOE is pretty large and if you touch cover, everyone is likely taking a DoT.

In terms of power, it is a very high-risk reward unit for Ostheer given the faction is very reliant on munitions given it's required for healing and ensuring their infantry can put up a fight in the later stages. It also has some very strong counters in the form of other light vehicles which it can only scratch while being very fragile. Furthermore, supported ATGs are a no go unless the 251 flanks which is not unique to the 251.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2016, 14:10 PMBIH_kirov_QC

it not balanced at all against garrisons.

yes it is a very risky unit. but it aint normal that it will instakill mgs in garrisons.

other than that it is a very balanced unit.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2016, 14:21 PMkingdun3284

Hope to see the changes on anti garriaon ability of 251HT soon as uc wasp anti garrison ability have gotten further nerf in WBP

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2016, 09:18 AMDonnieChan

Jesus Christ... leave the flamer halftrack alone

houses are OP anyway with that non-existing cover malus, in- and out hopping mechanic and the "rush to cutoff/fuel house right at the start meta". when you're too stupid to use the insane sight range of a house to see the flamer halftrack coming you've deserved the wipe 3 times. you can also use the house to bait for mine and at gun traps and whatnot...


instead start looking at the REAL ISSUES of the game:

püppchen constantly missing crucial first shots + not being able to fire at trenches.

Comets

Free Recon planes

Arty Cover ...

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2016, 14:23 PMkingdun3284

Thats the problem. Instant kill of garrisoned unit is unacceptable and simply op.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2016, 14:24 PMMr.Smith

If I may be permitted to comment, UC's damage output has increased by 50%.

Now, UC WASP is precisely half as good as the 251HT, which is quite generous given the relative costs.