An unknown non-meta ability which existed only in 2 doctrines, one of which was absolutely useless, is [possibly] going extinct soon. Add the new insane veterancy requirement on the top of that.
When did this underused ability become a game breaking issue? Just because one or two top players use it in a tournament it doesn't mean it is broken and should be removed.
Voice your opinions. I encourage fellow axis guys to participate as well.
222 Spotting Scops nerf
25 Nov 2016, 21:20 PM
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25 Nov 2016, 22:34 PM
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Basic > 35
Tracking > 49 (Su85)
222 > 50
NEW 222 scoped > 70
Focused sight > 75 (cone)
New 222 scoped + C. PV > 84
NEW vet 2 222 scoped > 91
OLD 222 scoped > 100
Focused sight + tracking 105 (cone)
New 222 vet 2 scope + C. PV > 109
Old 222 scoped + Command PV > 120
Old 222 vet 2 > 130
Old Ele/Su combo > 150
Old 222 vet 2 + C. PV > 156
This has been an "issue", if it can be said like this, since beta.
German mechanized is not useless on 2v2+, specially against emplacement based strats. The 250 HT is bad but the rest is all useable (smoke, scope, LeFH n Command tank).
Tracking > 49 (Su85)
222 > 50
NEW 222 scoped > 70
Focused sight > 75 (cone)
New 222 scoped + C. PV > 84
NEW vet 2 222 scoped > 91
OLD 222 scoped > 100
Focused sight + tracking 105 (cone)
New 222 vet 2 scope + C. PV > 109
Old 222 scoped + Command PV > 120
Old 222 vet 2 > 130
Old Ele/Su combo > 150
Old 222 vet 2 + C. PV > 156
This has been an "issue", if it can be said like this, since beta.
German mechanized is not useless on 2v2+, specially against emplacement based strats. The 250 HT is bad but the rest is all useable (smoke, scope, LeFH n Command tank).
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26 Nov 2016, 04:59 AM
#3
Posts: 236
Well sadly this will be one of those changes never to be reverted. I enjoyed seeing the map for wide open maps. Just means more micro for those doctrines.
26 Nov 2016, 07:14 AM
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Posts: 181
LOS and FOW are core parts of this franchise. That upgrade circumvented those design principles.
BUT I think the nerf was a bit heavy handed. Also the T70 has a similar ability which is non-doctrinal.
Overall I find the 222 useless, overpriced and not decent against anything better than the unicersal carrier, which is basically a free unit.
BUT I think the nerf was a bit heavy handed. Also the T70 has a similar ability which is non-doctrinal.
Overall I find the 222 useless, overpriced and not decent against anything better than the unicersal carrier, which is basically a free unit.
26 Nov 2016, 07:35 AM
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An unknown non-meta ability
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26 Nov 2016, 07:57 AM
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We haven't nerfed spotting scopes at all. We only nerfed how spotting scopes behave on the 222.
If you go ahead and actually play the mod, spotting scopes still provide a 2x sight increase on other wermacht vehicles, bringing vehicle sight range up to 70, in all cases.
Thus, spotting scopes is still a meaningful upgrade. It just means that you need to distribute more of these on multiple vehicles to beat back the fog of war. You can no longer get away with upgrading only a single vehicle.
Spotting scopes on 222 and Free Recon on the UC made those vehicles scale a bit too good for their cost.
If you go ahead and actually play the mod, spotting scopes still provide a 2x sight increase on other wermacht vehicles, bringing vehicle sight range up to 70, in all cases.
Thus, spotting scopes is still a meaningful upgrade. It just means that you need to distribute more of these on multiple vehicles to beat back the fog of war. You can no longer get away with upgrading only a single vehicle.
Spotting scopes on 222 and Free Recon on the UC made those vehicles scale a bit too good for their cost.
You have a great idea that improves the QoL aspects of the game? Please, drop your idea here:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/57860/some-qol-suggestions
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26 Nov 2016, 07:59 AM
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222 maphack was a meme. While I thought it was hilarious, I can understand why it's being toned down.
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26 Nov 2016, 09:33 AM
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Posts: 273
on old days, I have used to use scopes on 222 with my mate who vets up my 222 with the elite troops ability. It was a fake map hack cheat. Nowadays with 222 buffs, you can vet scoped 222 up easier than before so it is still a gamebraking situation
26 Nov 2016, 11:34 AM
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Posts: 5441 | Subs: 36
An unknown non-meta ability which existed only in 2 doctrines, one of which was absolutely useless
When did this underused ability become a game breaking issue? Just because one or two top players use it in a tournament it doesn't mean it is broken and should be removed.
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Both docs are compeltly meta!
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26 Nov 2016, 15:16 PM
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Spotting Scopes on vetted 222 gave way too much sight thus granting huge advantage especially on maps like Rails and Metal. I appreciate the incoming adjustments.
It is beyond me how you refer to Spotting Scopes as "unknown non-meta ability".
It is beyond me how you refer to Spotting Scopes as "unknown non-meta ability".
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