Login

russian armor
COH2.ORG » Forums » Parlor Room » COH2 Central » COH2 Balance » Shock Troops

Shock Troops

PAGES (2)down
New topic New topic     Upload replay New Reply
aomsinzana
12 Aug 2016, 19:33 PM
#1
avatar of aomsinzana

Posts: 284 | Subs: 1

Since WFA and British Force is come I feel like Shock is less performance than before and less use.
Now SU play always pick Penals, Guard or even cons to the main front line units.
Well Shock troops still be a good choice for some maps that make close combat role shine.
Compare Shock to another faction Elite close combat infantry I think Shock troops still need something.

my idea is replace "trip-flare mines" to another ability that unlock by vet 1.
- Sprint/Oorah ? for the units that have a lot of armor have sprint ability ... seems like OP i think (lol)
or
- assault rapid-fire ability ... everyone will be enjoy use this ability in Campaign mode. I think it will be a better choice than the first one but need to fix something too
1) less AoE
2) NO suppression !!!

EDIT : sry, my bad :blush:
I mean bring back rapid fire ability that have no supression enemy units ... not mean ability that make Shock troops immune supression ...



Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
RedT3rror
13 Aug 2016, 08:49 AM
#2
avatar of RedT3rror

Posts: 747 | Subs: 2

I don't think they need a performance buff. It's the high reinforce cost which makes them so unattractive.
Playercard of RedT3rror

3v3: Pstreak: + 4with -.-, & SoE-Sturmpanther
3v3: Pstreak: + 9with -.-, & SoE-Sturmpanther
4v4: Pstreak: + 1with -.-, -Overlord-, & SoE-Sturmpanther
4v4: Pstreak: + 1with -.-, -Overlord-, & SoE-Sturmpanther




Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
mortiferum
13 Aug 2016, 08:50 AM
#3
avatar of mortiferum

Posts: 571

Ahhh yeah, shock troops are absolutely lethal if they get a good flank.

Just look at Assault Grenadiers if you want to see a failure of a CQ unit.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Bananenheld
13 Aug 2016, 09:06 AM
#4
avatar of Bananenheld

Posts: 1593 | Subs: 1

Reinforcment is too high, but a vet 1 Sprint ability (maybe even allow to fire while sprinting, if the engine allows it) would fit the unit itself pretty good
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
ZombiFrancis
13 Aug 2016, 11:10 AM
#5
avatar of ZombiFrancis

Posts: 2742

No at. That is their bane. Not only are they expensive they need at support or they'll bleed mp like crazy. They are like any other infantry squad without a form of at: situational at best and highly exploitable by your opponent.
Strategic Territory Points Mod:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=604491510
Classic resource points!
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
mortiferum
13 Aug 2016, 11:15 AM
#6
avatar of mortiferum

Posts: 571

jump backJump back to quoted post13 Aug 2016, 09:06 AMBananenheld
Reinforcment is too high, but a vet 1 Sprint ability (maybe even allow to fire while sprinting, if the engine allows it) would fit the unit itself pretty good


Definitely no sprint and shoot.

That means they can bolt up to a retreating unit while spraying them... if they maintain their close range, GG GUARANTEED WIPE
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
vietnamabc
13 Aug 2016, 11:33 AM
#7
avatar of vietnamabc

Posts: 1063

No please, a squad that has both smoke and sprint would be a monster. Problem with Shock troops currently is that Penals is better and they are much cheaper.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Brassatko
13 Aug 2016, 11:33 AM
#8
avatar of Brassatko

Posts: 175

jump backJump back to quoted post12 Aug 2016, 19:33 PMaomsinzana
Since WFA and British Force is come I feel like Shock is less performance than before and less use.
Now SU play always pick Penals, Guard or even cons to the main front line units.
Well Shock troops still be a good choice for some maps that make close combat role shine.
Compare Shock to another faction Elite close combat infantry I think Shock troops still need something.

my idea is replace "trip-flare mines" to another ability that unlock by vet 1.
- Sprint/Oorah ? for the units that have a lot of armor have sprint ability ... seems like OP i think (lol)
or
- assault rapid-fire ability ... everyone will be enjoy use this ability in Campaign mode. I think it will be a better choice than the first one but need to fix something too
1) less AoE
2) NO suppression !!!





Shock troops are fine the way they are. Certainly don't need a damage buff and already have a smoke grenade, since you mention suppression. I don't really see the manpower argument either since it is a lot easier to avoid squad wipes with them compared to elite Axis infantry (Stormtroopers, Fallschirmjaeger, Obers, Jaeger Light all bleed you as much MP and are more vulnerable to complete wipes).

It's true, currently Penals are more efficient in a similar role but that doesn't mean that another unit needs a buff on top of that.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
CartoonVillain
13 Aug 2016, 12:41 PM
#9
avatar of CartoonVillain

Posts: 474

As long as vet 0 Shock Troops demolish vet 5 Volks with STG44's they are fine.

Sprint or no suppression would make them insanely OP.
Playercard of CartoonVillain

1v1: Pstreak: + 1
1v1: Pstreak: + 2
1v1: Pstreak: + 4
1v1: Pstreak: + 3


Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Shell_yeah
13 Aug 2016, 12:56 PM
#10
avatar of Shell_yeah

Posts: 258

imo shock troopers are the best designed and balanced infantry in this game.
Only problem is that their grenades are bugged sometimes and take forever to throw(same for other units that can throw nades) and relic doesnt give a 2 cent about that bug since the creation of the universe
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
l4hti
13 Aug 2016, 12:58 PM
#11
avatar of l4hti

Posts: 476

They are absolutely fine
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
newvan
13 Aug 2016, 13:12 PM
#12
avatar of newvan

Posts: 354

They are fine, they are durable flankers with smoke, the only thing that must be looked at is their grenades AOE, 1-0.15 its like the weakest AOE for grenade in the game, just make it standard 1-0.25 .












Playercard of newvan

2v2: Pstreak: + 3
2v2: Pstreak: + 2
2v2: Pstreak: + 2
2v2: Pstreak: - 1


Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Stark
13 Aug 2016, 13:18 PM
#13
avatar of Stark

Posts: 626 | Subs: 1

But sadly no1 uses them anymore. :(
Playcard
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Tobis
13 Aug 2016, 13:31 PM
#14
avatar of Tobis
Senior Strategist Badge
Donator 11

Posts: 2307 | Subs: 4

They are fine, but the trip wire flares should be changed to something useful. Vet 1 for all the vanilla faction infantry needs to be reworked. Not sprint though, that would be OP.
Tobis "Complete Throw"

Someone asked what my avatar was from... I really don't know.

Defeated Paula and knocked him out of 2v2 Anniversary Cup :snfBarton:
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
newvan
13 Aug 2016, 13:51 PM
#15
avatar of newvan

Posts: 354

jump backJump back to quoted post13 Aug 2016, 13:31 PMTobis
They are fine, but the trip wire flares should be changed to something useful. Vet 1 for all the vanilla faction infantry needs to be reworked. Not sprint though, that would be OP.

Pfaust would be thematically, ShISBr were known for using captured Pfausts in large scale, but it could cause balance problems.












Playercard of newvan

2v2: Pstreak: + 3
2v2: Pstreak: + 2
2v2: Pstreak: + 2
2v2: Pstreak: - 1


Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
easierwithaturret
13 Aug 2016, 14:05 PM
#16
avatar of easierwithaturret

Posts: 247

Nothing really wrong with shock troops. They've gone out of fashion relative to the more versatile penals and guards, but they are still very effective in their role. IME they're really the only close range unit that has enough durability to do their job past the early game. They are hard to use against OKW who will just use a luchs to murder them, but I don't know what to do about that.

Their reinforce cost could be a little lower, especially given that it's inevitable they will take heavy casualties.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
squippy
13 Aug 2016, 14:31 PM
#18
avatar of squippy

Posts: 484

Called it.
“Disobedience, in the eyes of any one who has read history, is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.”
― Oscar Wilde
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
NEVEC
13 Aug 2016, 16:57 PM
#19
avatar of NEVEC

Posts: 708 | Subs: 1

Does anyone uses them at all?

I would prefer move them to 4-5 cp and make them stronger.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Grumpy
13 Aug 2016, 19:38 PM
#20
avatar of Grumpy

Posts: 1954

I haven't used them in awhile, but playing against them, they seem like they're okay. Assault grens on the other hand seem comically bad. Early game, they can push rifles around a bit but as soon as rifles get bars, then ass grens are just exactly that.

Shocks would work better if they had a longer range. It seems like you always lose a model or two when trying to get close, and the reinforce cost is high.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
PAGES (2)down
New topic New topic     Upload replay New Reply
1 user is browsing this thread: 1 guest
COH2.ORG » Forums » Parlor Room » COH2 Central » COH2 Balance » Shock Troops

Ladders Top 10

UKF
USF
OKW
SOV
OST
1v1
2v2
3v3
4v4
  • #
    Steam Alias
    W
    L
    %
    Streak
Data provided by Relic Relic Entertainment

Replay highlight

Top Tier Teams
VS
  • U.S. Forces flag cblanco ★
  • The British Forces flag 보드카 중대
  • Oberkommando West flag VonManteuffel
  • Ostheer flag Heartless Jäger
Einhoven Country
Einhoven Country Honor
Honor it
9
 Download
Download
1235
uploaded by XXxxHeartlessxxXX

Board Info

841 users are online: 841 guests
0 post in the last 24h
8 posts in the last week
34 posts in the last month
Registered members: 49113
Welcome our newest member, Dedek545
Most online: 2043 users on 29 Oct 2023, 01:04 AM