Replace the Jeep with Pershing.
29 Jun 2016, 16:18 PM
#21
Posts: 372
I'm assuming the mortar would be removed and replaced with the jeep. Seems solid.
29 Jun 2016, 16:29 PM
#22
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I'm not sure if I support this change.
WC51 outside of Mechanized Company isn't THAT attractible since giving OKW snares.
Previously you could roam around even after first schrek appeared on the battlefield. You could just evade it, or even play safe and use WC51 only after you forced schrek squad retreat with your infantry.
Now after building first tech building ALL Volks get snares so your WC51 is useful only in a very short timeframe. Without Withdraw and Refit it is quite costly investment (20 fuel!) for what it does - glorified kubel with transport capability.
WC51 outside of Mechanized Company isn't THAT attractible since giving OKW snares.
Previously you could roam around even after first schrek appeared on the battlefield. You could just evade it, or even play safe and use WC51 only after you forced schrek squad retreat with your infantry.
Now after building first tech building ALL Volks get snares so your WC51 is useful only in a very short timeframe. Without Withdraw and Refit it is quite costly investment (20 fuel!) for what it does - glorified kubel with transport capability.
29 Jun 2016, 16:31 PM
#23
Posts: 278
I kinda wish relic would actually stick to their design goals with USF/OKW but that ship sailed long ago. Assuming we're stuck w/strong early USF and strong late OKW I think replacing mortar w/jeep is a good change. Might require nerfing the jeep a bit though.
29 Jun 2016, 17:01 PM
#24
Posts: 1890 | Subs: 1
Gosh, It's a "Dodge Truck" not a Jeep. When WILL people get it right 
29 Jun 2016, 17:03 PM
#25
Posts: 794
Pershing gonna die? Refund pls.
The retreating vehicles can still be targeted and destroyed and in that case you won't get any refunds.
It's interesting but there's no "early game aggression" without the jeep. The jeep is an easy gg against okw and it can do work versus Wehrmacht.
WC51 *WAS* the most overpowered USF start against OKW. I steamrolled OKW teams in 3v3 and 4v4 by denying any forward HQ setup and killing lots of squads. Now the WC51 is not great considering if OKW get any truck up anywhere, they are essentially useless.
Read the 'prequirement' part.
Also wouldnt doing this swap make mechanised essentially a better commander overall?
Why not he's been a useless depressed wreck since release
I like this. What price did hou have in mknd for the WC51?
240/20, same as it is.
Wc51 to usf tech? Lets make them x100 times stronger for no reason.
It will delay their teching significantly since you can't use the W@F ability (unless you chose the doc)
Also there was a prequirement.
29 Jun 2016, 17:11 PM
#26
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So we want to give USA best mortar, best early vehicle, best mid game, best mediums ....
Whats next, best mg in tier0 so USA can roflstopm Ostheer 24/7 ?
I think USA now have everything they need. If you have problems with kubelspam, stick on defense and then go fast m20 and if you have problems with sniper stick on defense and go fast m20.
They do not need a jeep
Whats next, best mg in tier0 so USA can roflstopm Ostheer 24/7 ?
I think USA now have everything they need. If you have problems with kubelspam, stick on defense and then go fast m20 and if you have problems with sniper stick on defense and go fast m20.
They do not need a jeep
29 Jun 2016, 17:17 PM
#27
Posts: 794
So we want to give USA best mortar, best early vehicle, best mid game, best mediums ....
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I'm assuming the mortar would be removed and replaced with the jeep. Seems solid.
29 Jun 2016, 17:21 PM
#28
Posts: 4314 | Subs: 7
This>
But mortar is much more useful than jeep. USF have enaough mobility early game, what they lack is building control. And this was why they added mortar (it had to be mortar with big rof but low range and dmg/AOE, not this turbomortar [even ostheer would not be ashamed if they had one like this])
29 Jun 2016, 17:23 PM
#29
Posts: 97
+1 for trading jeep into e8 or pershing
29 Jun 2016, 17:29 PM
#30
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Congrats.
Your first ever post with some reason behind.
Your first ever post with some reason behind.
29 Jun 2016, 17:29 PM
#31
Posts: 149 | Subs: 1
WC51 + flamer Assault engies it may be a problem
29 Jun 2016, 17:34 PM
#32
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this would be blatantly op.
imagine 4-5 stuarts, then withdraw them all into pershing
imagine 4-5 stuarts, then withdraw them all into pershing
29 Jun 2016, 17:40 PM
#33
Posts: 673
If Jeep goes to T0 - Mortar moves out of it. And it's good, it will both make WC51 and Mortar Truck more useful, cos right now... how uses Mortar US truck, seriosuly? It sucks sooooo hard, compared with M1 mortar, steals 40 fuel and entire doctrine.
Btw, I like that idea.
Btw, I like that idea.
29 Jun 2016, 17:41 PM
#34
Posts: 20 | Subs: 11
the doge just needs to not cost fuel
also they need to either prevent units from shooting out of the doge or limit its hold size so only 4man squads so u cant just roflmen clowncar around.
also they need to either prevent units from shooting out of the doge or limit its hold size so only 4man squads so u cant just roflmen clowncar around.
29 Jun 2016, 18:15 PM
#35
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29 Jun 2016, 18:15 PM
#36
Posts: 2635 | Subs: 4
Permanently BannedWHy we need dodge in t0 ? if USF have m20 and stuart ? What the reason make there early game stronger ? I must remember about 2 bars and 2 1919 on there infatry in mid/late game with best light vehicles.
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29 Jun 2016, 18:19 PM
#37
Posts: 1220
sounds great
29 Jun 2016, 18:24 PM
#38
Posts: 621
this would be blatantly op.
imagine 4-5 stuarts, then withdraw them all into pershing
Thats why a certain genius suggested Easy 8s earlier
WC51 + flamer Assault engies it may be a problem
Have you ever played a 2v2 against Mechanised and Armour Company
Besides Soviets can do the same thing with their Scout car and its perfectly dealable with
I'm assuming the mortar would be removed and replaced with the jeep. Seems solid.
Why cant we leave Mortar I dont like the idea of an unused unit
Maybe behind LT or Weapon Racks?
29 Jun 2016, 18:31 PM
#39
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
It's has always been the doge commander in my eyes.
Ontopic: if people cry about the mortar, this forum would need a desalination plant to remove all the salt from the QQ of certain people if this change was implemented.
What @BreakingBrad says it's a start or an option.
On top of that, increase HP on the M3 HT and reduce mp cost.
Remove recon sweep and replace it with some mech. I'm not sure if giving Pershing is a possible option but E8s wouldn't be bad.
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29 Jun 2016, 18:48 PM
#40
7 Posts: 1664
Why isn't the M3 half-track just a standard Soviet M5? I actually think EZ8 would fit better than a Pershing for Mech.
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