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Isu152 pen

23 Jun 2016, 15:12 PM
#61
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 14:59 PMBlalord


So in total you want the AT power of an elephant and the AI power of the isu 152 in a single unit, switch shell doesnt justify an 70 range anti everything unit


Did I ever say it should be the same as an elephant? Nope. I believe it should just have more pen than it currently has because the AP round is sub par.
23 Jun 2016, 15:17 PM
#62
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 15:12 PMCrumbum


Did I ever say it should be the same as an elephant? Nope. I believe it should just have more pen than it currently has because the AP round is sub par.


ISU 152 Chance to pen at max range:

- 76% for Brummbar
- 83% for Hetzer -
- 100% for unvetted Pz4.

What more do you want exactly
23 Jun 2016, 15:51 PM
#63
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 15:12 PMCrumbum


Did I ever say it should be the same as an elephant? Nope. I believe it should just have more pen than it currently has because the AP round is sub par.


Only Jadgtiger, Elephant and AP Jackson are better.
What more do you expect?
23 Jun 2016, 15:55 PM
#64
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 15:17 PMBlalord


ISU 152 Chance to pen at max range:

- 76% for Brummbar
- 83% for Hetzer -
- 100% for unvetted Pz4.

What more do you want exactly


Why bother including the hetzer and an unvetted pz4 lmao. ISU is a late game tank so it will vs late game vehicles and by that I mean heavy armour such as panther, tiger etc. If you have ever used an ISU you would realise its best mode is HE, and the AP rounds are mediocre at best which is a shame considering how long it is to switch rounds.
23 Jun 2016, 16:33 PM
#65
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 15:55 PMCrumbum


Why bother including the hetzer and an unvetted pz4 lmao. ISU is a late game tank so it will vs late game vehicles and by that I mean heavy armour such as panther, tiger etc. If you have ever used an ISU you would realise its best mode is HE, and the AP rounds are mediocre at best which is a shame considering how long it is to switch rounds.


So your saying it should get very good Anti tank capabilities, keep its insane wipe potential and still keep its 70 range? that seems fine for you? lol
23 Jun 2016, 17:24 PM
#66
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Do not exaggerate please!
We want ISU AP rounds to penetrate OKW P4 with its 234 armor. That's all.
23 Jun 2016, 17:39 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 17:24 PMDrink
Do not exaggerate please!
We want ISU AP rounds to penetrate OKW P4 with its 234 armor. That's all.


85% of the time at far range.
98% when it gets at med range.

On the same way you don't get a KT to kill tanks, primarily, you don't get an ISU to deal with vehicles. Both of this tanks fulfill the same role, slowly bleed out your opponent by dragging the fights into a slow grind since you are forcing your opponent to make some move. One can act as a spearhead/damage sponge, the other one pokes at AT gun lines from out or range.

jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 14:57 PMMyself
ISU-152 has the G-530 Concrete Piercing Round that has plenty of penetration. I would start by lowering the MU cost of it and fixing it the ground collision a bit.

+1
23 Jun 2016, 17:58 PM
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Forgive me for asking but is there a reason why the ISU152 can bounce off of a Panzer 4? Why do you have to wait 14 cp and 260 fuel to get this assault gun that can't even deal with medium armor? It has good infantry killing power, sure, but it's already handicapped by the unreal reload time and the 11 second shell switch timer. I'd be fine with that if it actually could reliably pen medium tanks... How does this not get brought up more? What do you think? Cast your vote



wuts about the pershing ?
23 Jun 2016, 18:07 PM
#69
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I am for AI reduction but AT buff.
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