Any opinions on the new USF mortar?

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 20:47 PMmedhood

Jackpot!

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 20:51 PMDj Rolnik

Thank you.. I was terrified for a second >.>

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 11:09 AMKatitof

So, you would like it to arrive when its already irrelevant, just like .50 cal?
USF T0 got too much variety?

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2016, 17:00 PMIncendiaryRounds

Soviets have a harder time dealing with mgs. Molotovs don't insta-kill mg crew. Conscripts don't flank as well cuz their rifles aren't semi-auto (don't deal as much damage.) They don't have non-doctrinal smoke so, soviets deserve a mortar.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 15:41 PMIncendiaryRounds

If the Ostheer player is using a mg to backup another, the USF player should just ignore that area until he get pack howis. That's 520 mp guarding a small area of the map. A single mg in even the best position can be broken with 3 inf squads from different directions. Dear USF players: you can't have the whole map!

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 22:27 PMbicho1

"the USF player should just ignore that area until he get pack howis"
so i need to w8 until i will get a pack howy and only then i can play ? isant it insane ?

"single mg in even the best position can be broken with 3 inf squads from different directions"
wtf so i need 3 rifelman squads to break thro 1 mg who will fight your greens ? RE ? cap ?

if you got 2 mgs and 3 green squads
for every mg i need 3 for every green squad i need 1 [3+3+1+1+1=9 so i need 9 rifelman squads to win you, gonna start blobing again ]

if usf player tries to flank you shoot his troops down its thet ez


if he shoots smoke you allwase can back your troops or re position

your troops are stronger long range usf allways need to come closer but on the way they will lose models

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 22:27 PMbicho1

"the USF player should just ignore that area until he get pack howis"
so i need to w8 until i will get a pack howy and only then i can play ? isant it insane ?

"single mg in even the best position can be broken with 3 inf squads from different directions"
wtf so i need 3 rifelman squads to break thro 1 mg who will fight your greens ? RE ? cap ?

if you got 2 mgs and 3 green squads
for every mg i need 3 for every green squad i need 1 [3+3+1+1+1=9 so i need 9 rifelman squads to win you, gonna start blobing again ]

if usf player tries to flank you shoot his troops down its thet ez


if he shoots smoke you allwase can back your troops or re position

your troops are stronger long range usf allways need to come closer but on the way they will lose models

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 22:14 PMbicho1

wtf ??!!

from when a granade insta kill an mg crew ???

molotove is much more effective then a nade

did you ever tried puting your MG in a biulding ? some times 3 nades wont insta kill your mg crew

wermaht greens are preaty good vs rifelman ust put them in green cover then give them LMG and gg

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 23:10 PMGenObi

This thread and OP is noting but hyperbole. The only danger is adding variety to a otherwise stale faction. Move along

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 23:31 PMButcher

Not going to read through three sides of text:

The US mortar is a good addition. Everything that gives an alternative option to Rifleman spam is good.

Further the mortar is going to be needed versus all the MGs OKW players are going to field now. I can´t see anything wrong with the addition of the mortar.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 23:23 PMIncendiaryRounds

A faction can't have everything.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 23:33 PMIncendiaryRounds

I kinda agree with the mortar being needed against OKW cuz they have a lot more infantry that can support their mgs so going in for the grenade is much harder without losing a rifle squad to volk squads. which is also why I don't like the idea of OKW getting a non-doc mg. If factions have all the same-ish units, where's the diversity?

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 23:08 PMIncendiaryRounds

LOL I can't help but say l2p for this post. Dual mgs can only guard a small part of the map. Just cap the rest of the map since the Ost player will have less units to deal with the other parts of the map. And I'm saying that you need up to 3 inf squads to overwhelm an mg. You may just need one. It all depends. Maybe you caught the mg out of position. So when you know theres an mg in a position, don't expect to just send one squad and think it'll beat the mg. You can only afford to attack one mg at a time early game cuz you wouldn't have enough units to attack another. So no, you don't need 9 riflemen. Again, clearly your thought process tells me its an l2p issue.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 23:18 PMIncendiaryRounds

The only time mgs don't get completely wiped by a grenade is when you put it in a building. If its not in a building, the crew will get wiped 70% of the time.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 23:10 PMIncendiaryRounds

Wrong on the point of troops being stronger at long range. Rifle squads will take more damage from grens at long range, but grens will still lose regardless of range to riflemen.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 23:23 PMIncendiaryRounds

USF is already strong enough 1v1. Proven by the win rates. Who cares about whether a faction is stale. USF is a fairly well designed faction that just needs some adjustments done for existing units. Not adding new ones that may completely change the balance for the worst. If a USF player can't clear an mg using grenades, the issue is L2P, not "i need a tier 0 mortar." How would you feel if Ostheer players whined and said "I need a non-doctrinal puma in tier 2 to counter all the light vehicles that get thrown at me." A faction can't have everything. And pack howis are quickly accessible after just a few minutes.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2016, 11:57 AMbicho1

dont use this cheap excuse L2p issue when you are out of thoughts i have lots of games of 1 v 1 i kinda know how to play, i am not the only one thinking like this ,i have been talking to some high rank players 150 -50.

"Dual mgs can only guard a small part of the map. Just cap the rest of the map since the Ost player will have less units to deal with the other parts of the map"
you dont need all the map ,even only the fuel point and some tac points are good enough "survive" early mid game then late game its gg for you .

Ostheer doesn't even have that strong of a late game. Tier 4 is trash. Everyone agrees on that. If the Ostheer player is going for a Tiger, you have plenty of options to deal with it especially after the patch with the at gun and Jackson buff. Ostheer is the most underpowered faction and most difficult to play as and most agree on that.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2016, 12:01 PMbicho1

"The only time mgs don't get completely wiped by a grenade is when you put it in a building"
thank you

"If its not in a building, the crew will get wiped 70% of the time"
its a lie if you put ur mg crew in yello cover and they are blobed one in another a nade could wipe them what heppens but sad not allwayes

mostly if your mg crew isant bunched up they wont get wiped