Flame Hetzer

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2018, 17:58 PMIncendiaryRounds

The unit needs at the very least XP requirement lowered. It is an absolute monster at vet5. I daresay better than the op version of the croc.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2018, 07:51 AMullumulu

that is wrong. or u never played the croc.
croc has much more hp and armor, has a TURRET! and a maingun which make serious dmg cs armor.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2018, 09:34 AMKatitof

Then build croc as okw instead of hetzer.

Why are you comparing apples to oranges so much?

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2018, 11:34 AMullumulu

Bro...i quotet this guy because he wantet to tell us that the hetzer is the OP version from the Croc! WTF...must be dumb or never played croc

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2018, 11:58 AMKatitof

Unless you're on some hard drugs, even wasp is op compared to current croc iteration.
Being in complete and utter denial does not change that fact.
Croc is terribly bad unit for its price and role, unless for some weird reason you try to counter it with infantry based AT, in which case, the cros is still poor, but in addition you're a noob for not knowing what to use to counter it efficiently.

Hetzer performs very well for its cost.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2018, 12:53 PMKatitof

And you never played a game at a level that could be called competitive.

Noobs will struggle with anything, no matter how underpowered it is, you're the best example thinking current croc is strong or hetzer is weak.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2018, 13:06 PMullumulu

Do u realize that u said THIS in a thread where the major voted for a underpowerd hetzer? THey must be all dumb and noobs, right?

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2018, 13:08 PMLago

Check the date on that poll.

• Cost from 280/100 to 300/90
  
• Population from 12 to 10
  
• Health from 580 to 640
  
• Direct damage from 10 to 9
  
• Range from 32 to 35
  
• Minimum range removed
  
• Burst duration from 1.5/2 to 4
  
• Veterancy 1 burst duration changed to -15% cooldown
  
• Veterancy 3 cooldown from -30% to -15%
  
• Now deployed from Schwerer Panzer Headquarters

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2018, 14:09 PMLago

https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/244493/december-commander-revamp-changlog

Flame Hetzer
"Due to the unit's fixed turret and low maneuverability, we found it to be highly situational, struggled on close quarters maps and generally under performed for its price."

• Cost from 280/100 to 300/90
  
• Population from 12 to 10
  
• Health from 580 to 640
  
• Direct damage from 10 to 9
  
• Range from 32 to 35
  
• Minimum range removed
  
• Burst duration from 1.5/2 to 4
  
• Veterancy 1 burst duration changed to -15% cooldown
  
• Veterancy 3 cooldown from -30% to -15%
  
• Now deployed from Schwerer Panzer Headquarters

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2018, 16:55 PMReverb

Flame Hetzer is a fantastic for it's cost at the moment. The only thing that keeps it from being OP for its cost currently is how specialized and situational it is. It's in a great spot as is.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2018, 13:33 PMSander93

Yes I agree that its teching position is awkward. At the time of teching to T4 you generally rather save up for a tank because you're going to need decent anti-tank at that point. Perhaps it could be tied to T1 or T2, so it can come onto the field quicker but at the cost of delaying tech (risk getting out-teched for possibly better map control). At the point of T1/T2 + 90 fuel (unit cost), Allies should have plenty of AT options to fend it off.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2018, 13:39 PMblvckdream

T1 flame hetzer?? Really??

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2018, 13:33 PMSander93

Yes I agree that its teching position is awkward. At the time of teching to T4 you generally rather save up for a tank because you're going to need decent anti-tank at that point. Perhaps it could be tied to T1 or T2, so it can come onto the field quicker but at the cost of delaying tech (risk getting out-teched for possibly better map control). At the point of T1/T2 + 90 fuel (unit cost), Allies should have plenty of AT options to fend it off.