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ESL cup statistics

20 Feb 2016, 00:36 AM
#1
avatar of Siphon X.
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This is an update (23 Feb 2016) of the previous statistic.

It includes all finals, semi, quarter and games for 3rd place for EU and NA cups #3 to #8, as well as the January monthly cups. I used all games for which replays were available on the ESL site, plus whatever I could find on twitch and youtube (thanks to the casters!).

The total number of games happens to be a nice, round 200, which are almost twice as many as I had previously (124).

I left the original post in the spoiler at the end, which can give you some idea about the sampling error involved in this.

Players


























player games player games player games
Luvnest39CaptainSPrice14Tüme2
Barton35Momo4sho14Walther2
Noggano34Redxwings11xsmiercx2
VonIvan32Cruzz9Sierzant2
Jesulin29KoreanArmy8Overlord2
Talisman25Assbag6Twisted Tootsy2
Shadowwada25Ciez6Alexander2
Jove22Vindicarex6Heinz Guderian2
Paul a.D.22SpaceHamster5Black Ace2
Helping Hans17DevM5
Dusty15Miragefla3


Factions
















pickedwonwon / %
ostheerostheer1265846%
sovietssoviets1146254%
okwokw743345%
britsbrits452453%
usfusf412356%
Sum40020050%


Matchups

















games allies won allies won / %
sovietssoviets vs ostheerostheer663553%
sovietssoviets vs okwokw482756%
usfusf vs ostheerostheer311755%
usfusf vs okwokw10660%
britsbrits vs ostheerostheer291655%
britsbrits vs okwokw16850%
Sum20010955%


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Old post after 124 games:
20 Feb 2016, 00:49 AM
#2
avatar of Obersoldat

Posts: 393

Wow this is amazing thanks for all the effort you put into this! :thumbsup:
Vez
20 Feb 2016, 01:05 AM
#3
avatar of Vez

Posts: 141

Good job on those stats!
20 Feb 2016, 01:08 AM
#4
avatar of Thamor

Posts: 290

Nice job, shows how allies have the most wins in these match setups.
20 Feb 2016, 01:49 AM
#5
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Feb 2016, 01:08 AMThamor
Nice job, shows how allies have the most wins in these match setups.


Early game advantage translates to winning before Axis can get themselves rolling.

Overall though fairly balanced, about a 10% difference in most of the win percentages, heck even the oh so broken without side-teching costs OKW isn't dominating except against the Brits(but only 8 matches played...).
20 Feb 2016, 01:49 AM
#6
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Amazing work, thx a lot.
20 Feb 2016, 02:04 AM
#7
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aaa
20 Feb 2016, 02:37 AM
#8
avatar of aaa

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Dont forget that early stages of this are basicaly the same level as automatch . thanks for work
A_E
20 Feb 2016, 02:47 AM
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Incredible thank you will give you a shout out on Sunday.
aaa
20 Feb 2016, 02:59 AM
#10
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Posts: 1487

Best doctrine Guard motor removed by lelic completely. As welll as other doctrines that they were buffing and selling separately. Such a deception.
Who nneds their damned maps if do this kind of things.
20 Feb 2016, 03:33 AM
#11
avatar of ashxu

Posts: 124

Wehrmacht is underpowered and needs some major buffs :snfPeter:

But in all seriousness, why did USF fall out of popularity? Weren't they pretty strong before the OKW revamp?

Anyway thanks for the data, Siphon X. This info is way better than people constantly quoting coh2charts numbers.
20 Feb 2016, 03:36 AM
#12
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Posts: 721

again and again m saying that vet 3 rifle blobs area cancer either buff eilte infy to fight standard infy better in all factions are just remove the terminator vet which was not needed in first place
20 Feb 2016, 03:47 AM
#13
avatar of ashxu

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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Feb 2016, 01:08 AMThamor
Nice job, shows how allies have the most wins in these match setups.

I don't think a 5% +/- means anything besides it's a very balanced match up.

We will never achieve a perfect 50-50 split as long as CoH has more than 1 faction and has unsymmetrical maps. In CS:GO the only competitive map that has an almost perfect 50-50 ratio is dust2 which is like 49-51 T sided. Otherwise it's very common to see 55-45, 53-47, 57-43 etc.

But numbers aren't the end all anyway, crossing the woods is probably hell for USF if the enemy picks wehrmacht due to snipers.
20 Feb 2016, 04:30 AM
#14
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Feb 2016, 03:47 AMashxu

I don't think a 5% +/- means anything besides it's a very balanced match up.

We will never achieve a perfect 50-50 split as long as CoH has more than 1 faction and has unsymmetrical maps. In CS:GO the only competitive map that has an almost perfect 50-50 ratio is dust2 which is like 49-51 T sided. Otherwise it's very common to see 55-45, 53-47, 57-43 etc.

But numbers aren't the end all anyway, crossing the woods is probably hell for USF if the enemy picks wehrmacht due to snipers.


Actually these show pretty well, both players play both sides. So these stats are pretty accurate, I don't mean that allied OP or anything just show how they have the advantage. It's all up to the player to be able to use that advantage.

Axis you need high micro, good intuition to get that advantage from allies nullified. Then you still need to not make mistakes to get those finishing blows...(Although same can be said for allies too)

ps. It's over 10% difference with some factions...
20 Feb 2016, 04:46 AM
#15
avatar of ashxu

Posts: 124

jump backJump back to quoted post20 Feb 2016, 04:30 AMThamor


Actually these show pretty well, both players play both sides. So these stats are pretty accurate, I don't mean that allied OP or anything just show how they have the advantage. It's all up to the player to be able to use that advantage.

Axis you need high micro, good intuition to get that advantage from allies nullified. Then you still need to not make mistakes to get those finishing blows...(Although same can be said for allies too)

ps. It's over 10% difference with some factions...

I assume you mean in the individual MUs, they have a smaller sample size however it's no surprise that UKF are struggling.
20 Feb 2016, 04:46 AM
#16
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Feb 2016, 03:33 AMashxu
Wehrmacht is underpowered and needs some major buffs :snfPeter:

But in all seriousness, why did USF fall out of popularity? Weren't they pretty strong before the OKW revamp?

Anyway thanks for the data, Siphon X. This info is way better than people constantly quoting coh2charts numbers.


when did USF fall out of popularity? :snfQuinn:
20 Feb 2016, 04:47 AM
#17
avatar of ashxu

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when did USF fall out of popularity? :snfQuinn:

well they ARE the least used at ESL despite how strong their early game is
20 Feb 2016, 04:51 AM
#18
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Feb 2016, 04:47 AMashxu

well they ARE the least used at ESL despite how strong their early game is


That doesn't make it unpopular, and they had highest win rate.
20 Feb 2016, 04:54 AM
#19
avatar of ashxu

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That doesn't make it unpopular, and they had highest win rate.

Even in automatch they are by far the least played in the top 150 according to coh2charts.

don't know how much more evidence you need
20 Feb 2016, 04:56 AM
#20
avatar of RedDevilCG

Posts: 154

I love stats, nomnomnom. Are you going to keep updating, or start fresh after the Feb patch?
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