Being able to call-in a KT while not all your HQ are fielded

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2016, 16:06 PMEsxile

FRP- Why should I believe you when video/live game/replay/my games vs OKW show me the opposite?
Volks- RM shock troops? show us how you do, as far as I know RM lose vs anything considered as shock troop in a close quarter combat. They are versatile like volks but still I don't know where you want to go with this comparison, are you or not denying volks being good versatile mainline unit? If yes explain, and telling me "because RM are versatile isn't really an answer, both are. No then you agree with me and same here I don't understand your comparison with RMs. Kubel after 5 minutes? You already capped half of the map before 5 minutes, more than enough to pay the kubel, past 5 minutes every minute is an extra bonus for you.
Why are you trying to suggest that I'm always losing vs KT and try to patronize me? Don't you have more intelligent comments to propose? Do I ask your skill level to respond to me?

As I said before, you can build your HQs in your base sector and they'll be safe as any other faction ones. you decide to not, its a strategic decision I agree on but I disagree that this decision giving you a good advantage on the battlefield early and midgame let you go as if nothing happened if you lose your HQ when the KT is about to come.

I do not overestimate the KT, the KT is the best stock unit in-game or you can prove I'm wrong, in term of generalist tank (AI-AT), it is only behind the Tiger Ace which is doctrinal and somewhat equal to the IS-2 (doctrinal as well) depending how you want to read their stats. So no, I do not overestimate it, I put it at his place, neither higher nor below.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2016, 15:34 PMEsxile

Why should all faction not being given a second chance with a stock super heavy stock call-in? Unique flavor? Asymmetrical balance feature?

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2016, 16:23 PMKozokus

Sorry if you fell suggested to be patronized or diminished, was not the case

Let's reconsider all the argumentation from the begining.
From what you wrote i had the feeling that being able to build a KT in any normal game is a problem (which is what led me to understand that you have a problem dealing with a KT)

From my point of view, you are already suffering enough of the loss a truck ( whole tier unit denying) to be punished even more with beeing denied your T5 unit.
Plus dealing with a KT is not a problem from my POV, given you have not been outplayed, you have the right tools to do it in any game. And i feel this is not a out of jail card at all. More like an end game unit, after all he just paid 700 MP +310 fuel to get one. Count what you have with that.

Kozo.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2016, 16:28 PMEtherealDragon

Seeing as how OKW doesn't get any doctrines with heavy call-ins (unless you count Strumtiger in a pretty bad commander) then pretty much yes.

Yes you can argue they are doctrinal but they have a significant cost advantage with no Tech costs aside from Brits. Many (dare I even say most) players will play/stall for these heavy call-ins as a "second chance" of sorts - its not that much different.

KT is just OKW's version of that. Requiring all 4 buildings will just lead to either A) Making KT more difficult to build except as a coup de grace B) Restricting OKW gameplay by encouraging players to build trucks only in base which goes against OKW's design.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2016, 18:47 PMOmega_Warrior

It's absolutely ridiculous. The current system means there is no risk when losing the panzer schwerer because the player still has access to their best armor.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2016, 17:14 PMKatitof

Let me in you on a lil secret:
No one stalls for heavies, because it doesn't work with limit of 1, if you forego tech, you're weakening yourself on purpose. Only exception here is Ost mechanized assault, but you're still having mid game armored support you'd be dead without.

You're talking pre limitation meta, which is long dead. Jesulin stalling for call-ins in recent ESL have proven the death of that playstyle with his defeats.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2016, 16:28 PMEtherealDragon

Seeing as how OKW doesn't get any doctrines with heavy call-ins (unless you count Strumtiger in a pretty bad commander) then pretty much yes. IS-2, Tiger, and Pershing are all in strong meta commanders and don't require tech. Brits get Hammer/Anvil specialization. Yes you can argue they are doctrinal but they have a significant cost advantage with no Tech costs aside from Brits. Many (dare I even say most) players will play/stall for these heavy call-ins as a "second chance" of sorts - its not that much different. KT is just OKW's version of that. Requiring all 4 buildings will just lead to either A) Making KT more difficult to build except as a coup de grace B) Restricting OKW gameplay by encouraging players to build trucks only in base which goes against OKW's design.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2016, 20:27 PMEtherealDragon

If that's the case then what is the purpose of this thread?

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2016, 20:27 PMEtherealDragon

If that's the case then what is the purpose of this thread? OP's main point as I read it is that stalling for a KT was viable and needed an additional counter. Though to clarify, I didn't mean "stalling" in the traditional "call-in meta" sense of it being your first tank but for example, Soviet T3 into IS 2. It's virtually the same situation as OKW saving up for a KT while being roughly the same cost or cheaper.

No matter how you slice it any Allied faction can get 2 TDs or 2-3 Tanks with some change leftover for the cost of a KT and have the benefit of having them on the field sooner. Unless there is an argument that KT is still coming too soon or that Allies don't have sufficient tools to counter it then I don't see how artificially increasing KT's cost by forcing OKW players to rebuild trucks is a good idea except out of some perceived notion of "fairness" or wanting to mirror the factions for symmetry sake.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2016, 20:27 PMEtherealDragon

No matter how you slice it any Allied faction can get 2 TDs or 2-3 Tanks with some change leftover for the cost of a KT and have the benefit of having them on the field sooner. Unless there is an argument that KT is still coming too soon or that Allies don't have sufficient tools to counter it then I don't see how artificially increasing KT's cost by forcing OKW players to rebuild trucks is a good idea except out of some perceived notion of "fairness" or wanting to mirror the factions for symmetry sake.