Merge and Oorah from start, AT nade after upgrade.
Oorah+molotov and oorah+AT nade are very powerful combinations.
Lol !
Conscripts VS Volks?
24 Dec 2015, 18:41 PM
#21
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Permanently BannedLol !
Relic killing our game, lets save COH2 from Relic 
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Brotheres, what we do in coh2, ehoes in eternity
If you're not a ахіs lover when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're not a soviet fanboy by the time you're 30, you have no brain.
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24 Dec 2015, 18:43 PM
#22
Posts: 1304 | Subs: 13
Now cons are the worst mainline infantry in the game, all of there upgrades require resources which delays tech and was nerfed in the past year, as well as scaling very poorly into late game. Volks have 2 nades for free and panzershreks with 5 levels of vet
The only change I would make to Conscripts is changing their veterancy so at Vet 3, they would cost 15 manpower over 20 to reinforce their role as cheap meatshields/utility troops. Make their vet 1 be 0.9 received accuracy like Volks.
And Volks are really only a threat to tanks late game. Yes, we all know the shrek is dumb and should get changed, but Volks fold to anything more than Conscripts and the flame grenade is hardly an 'I win' versus MGs if the Allied player, I don't know, screened their MGs with inf like Ostheer has to do every game. The main scary thing is what's behind the Volks.
24 Dec 2015, 18:43 PM
#23
Posts: 2635 | Subs: 4
Permanently BannedDo somthing with folks relic
Relic killing our game, lets save COH2 from Relic
If you're not a ахіs lover when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're not a soviet fanboy by the time you're 30, you have no brain.
Relic delenda est
If Dane will be have son, he will be call him (Sturmgeschütz)
Brotheres, what we do in coh2, ehoes in eternity
If you're not a ахіs lover when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're not a soviet fanboy by the time you're 30, you have no brain.
Relic delenda est
If Dane will be have son, he will be call him (Sturmgeschütz)
Brotheres, what we do in coh2, ehoes in eternity
24 Dec 2015, 18:44 PM
#24
Posts: 1248
How come conscripts are nowhere as useful as volks and the cost difference is only 10 manpower?
Did anybody ever wonder? volks have 5 Vet levels, access to nades, access to Shreks.
What do conscripts do thats as good as volks? the commander PTRS is a weaker version of the call in units, molotov is so slow team can literally wipe before the damm thing finishes throwing.
Only decent thing is the PPSH upgrade but its commander locked.
Whats the current justification in the units large efficiency gap?
After volks got buffed big time, do they still match their cost to stat ratio when compared to conscripts?
Could anybody shed a light for me regarding the facts?
Much appreciated
Cons are still alot cheaper. They cost 5 less manpower to reinforce than volks. What I think Relic needs to do is increase reinforce cost to 28 which will increase the manpower bleed of volks or 27 since 28 may seem a bit too much.
24 Dec 2015, 18:58 PM
#25
Posts: 301
Cheap = worst = can't kill = almost useless in late game = mp bleed
24 Dec 2015, 19:05 PM
#26
Posts: 665
A lot of that is down to WFA power creep. OKW got a buff across the board, while Soviets are left to fend for themselves despite a good third of their roster being intensely mediocre at the best of times, if not outright sucking.
Conscripts aren't terrible, but they are woefully outmatched by a lot of Axis infantry. Their vet 3 makes them quite durable, but they still have crap DPS so late game their primary use is Oooorah into AT nade while probably losing half the squad in the process, and 1v1 they lose to any similarily vetted Axis squad unless they land a molotov.
This is made worse by the fact that the only infantry that can give them help is doctrinal, thanks to Penals sucking.
Personally I'd change their vet; slightly reduce their received dmg bonus at vet 3, and give them one SVT40 (good daame at short and medium range) at vet 2 and another at vet 3. So they end up having decent firepower with veterancy. It also works with the flavor of them being entrusted better weapons as they prove themselves.
Conscripts aren't terrible, but they are woefully outmatched by a lot of Axis infantry. Their vet 3 makes them quite durable, but they still have crap DPS so late game their primary use is Oooorah into AT nade while probably losing half the squad in the process, and 1v1 they lose to any similarily vetted Axis squad unless they land a molotov.
This is made worse by the fact that the only infantry that can give them help is doctrinal, thanks to Penals sucking.
Personally I'd change their vet; slightly reduce their received dmg bonus at vet 3, and give them one SVT40 (good daame at short and medium range) at vet 2 and another at vet 3. So they end up having decent firepower with veterancy. It also works with the flavor of them being entrusted better weapons as they prove themselves.
24 Dec 2015, 19:33 PM
#27
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Am I the only one around here who actually thinks Soviets are fine? Conscripts are not the main killers in the Soviet army. Soviets have a lot of things that are very good at killing, the conscripts are there to screen for your other units.
24 Dec 2015, 20:06 PM
#28
Posts: 3103 | Subs: 1
Scripts are fine, Penals just not need to be bad and Molotovs (as well as Incendiary Grenades) could use a slight buff to their DoT tick speed.
24 Dec 2015, 20:26 PM
#29
Posts: 500
Molotovs (as well as Incendiary Grenades) could use a slight buff to their DoT tick speed.
Molotovs should get their throwing speed halved as well.
24 Dec 2015, 20:28 PM
#30
Posts: 204
An Idea I had was to keep the con at 240 manpower and lock merge at vet 2. Then lower the renforment cost to 15, until vet 3 then it get lowered to 10 or so.
I think this would be a cool flavor way of the whole soviet wave/mass in still of war they fought during ww2. I don't think this would be broken, because a. It take micro to do b.non of the infantry the sovets have are that strong, and the con modle dose not get the same armor, and some other stats, and c. It requires skill to first get the con unit to vet 3 and then to keep it alive after. Maby they could also increase the experience need to get to vet 3.
I think this would be a cool flavor way of the whole soviet wave/mass in still of war they fought during ww2. I don't think this would be broken, because a. It take micro to do b.non of the infantry the sovets have are that strong, and the con modle dose not get the same armor, and some other stats, and c. It requires skill to first get the con unit to vet 3 and then to keep it alive after. Maby they could also increase the experience need to get to vet 3.
24 Dec 2015, 21:05 PM
#31
Posts: 154
Isn't reinforcement cost tied to total unit cost though?
24 Dec 2015, 21:05 PM
#32
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Isn't reinforcement cost tied to total unit cost though?
Just loosely.
24 Dec 2015, 21:14 PM
#33
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Isn't reinforcement cost tied to total unit cost though?
RoyEs already got a veterancy bonus to reduce reinforcement cost.
24 Dec 2015, 21:16 PM
#34
Posts: 1304 | Subs: 13
Isn't reinforcement cost tied to total unit cost though?
Yes, but there are ways to modify it such as implementing the changes into their veterancy or adding an upgrade to the player at the start that would bring the unit's cost back to standard levels while keeping the reinforcement the same.
24 Dec 2015, 23:11 PM
#35
Posts: 2070
Am I the only one around here who actually thinks Soviets are fine? Conscripts are not the main killers in the Soviet army. Soviets have a lot of things that are very good at killing, the conscripts are there to screen for your other units.
i think they are okay too, but power creep kinda ruins them
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
25 Dec 2015, 00:25 AM
#36
Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2
I actually think Conscripts perform fine for their cost.
Soviets as a whole is pretty much alright in my opinion. If anything needs to change it's some minor changes to some of the doctrine abilities and maybe a katy-buff to bring it in line with the panzerwerfer in terms of performance.
Oh god, no. We don't need X-Wipe machines. If anything, PzWefer should be brought down to Katy level becasue Katy is in perfect spot. Not a wipe machine but still deadly, can be dodged. PzWefer means death to all kind of crew weapons, katy as well, but it gives you chance to survive.
25 Dec 2015, 00:49 AM
#37
Posts: 230
Permanently BannedPwerfer still has inherent disadvantage of being in wehr t4
25 Dec 2015, 00:51 AM
#38
Posts: 521
Cons are fine. Penals, however, should be looked at. 30 more manpower than Conscripts but they perform about the same. Either give them a slight buff, or bring the cost down to 240 MP.
Also, the satchel charge bug needs fixing. Relic, it's been a while...
Also, the satchel charge bug needs fixing. Relic, it's been a while...
25 Dec 2015, 02:20 AM
#39
Posts: 344
Conscripts
docrine locked: 3x PPsH-41
docrine locked: 2x PTRS
Rifleman
2x BAR
2x Bazooka
doctrine locked: 2x M1919
Infantry Section
2x Bren
2x PIAT
Grenadier
1x MG42
docrine locked: 2x G43
Volksgrenadiers
1x Panzerschreck
docrine locked: 3x PPsH-41
docrine locked: 2x PTRS
Rifleman
2x BAR
2x Bazooka
doctrine locked: 2x M1919
Infantry Section
2x Bren
2x PIAT
Grenadier
1x MG42
docrine locked: 2x G43
Volksgrenadiers
1x Panzerschreck
25 Dec 2015, 03:45 AM
#40
Posts: 665
Cons are fine. Penals, however, should be looked at. 30 more manpower than Conscripts but they perform about the same. Either give them a slight buff, or bring the cost down to 240 MP.
Also, the satchel charge bug needs fixing. Relic, it's been a while...
Penals costing the same as Cons wouldNt solve the issue; the unit is simply redundant. The faction already has a fairly cheap, close-range basic infantry with Ooorah that is Ok at clearing buildings. Penals don't do anything Conscripts can't except having a bit more DPS, and they don,t have an AT grenade too.
The unit needs a role change. Either as tough, elite close range infantry (which then plays on the field of Shocks...) or my favored proposal, as Panzerfusilier-esque 6 man, medium-long range infantry, with a flamer upgrade that role changes them to an assault unit by unlocking also Ooorah or something. Or maybe give them lend-lease bazooka upgrade to solve the problem of SU's bad handheld AT. Something.
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