The new pop cost of infantry

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2015, 00:36 AMmedhood

So what you're saying is Royal Engineers fill the same role as Infantry Sections except cheaper while Pioneers have their own unique role of being a scout and Garrison clearer woth Grenadiers and Panzer Grenadiers doing the front line unit roles
Royal Engineers also have the task of repairing and maintaining the emplacements they build so they can get busy on that behalf aswell as vehicles so if you gave em double brens they wont be using them while an infantry section could be making use of the Brem in battle
Other then the usual engineer stuff they dont really bring anything thats unique from the rest of the army unlike pioneers

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2015, 07:32 AMRMMLz

This is off topic, but still all other engineer units (most notably CEs and Pios) have more tasks than REs for nearly the same price. Retreating a builder unit for base building is huge. Their repair speed is also better than other units, and please, who builds and maintain emplacements?
Lets agree to disagree.

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2015, 13:45 PMmedhood

Royal Engineers dont have extra line of sight or flamethrowers and while they have the anvil upgrade thats locked behind tech

Pioneers have their line of sight and flamethrowers which is used and is effective through out the entire game

Royal Engineers while a good unit dont have as much utility as pioneers in my opinion and the utility they do have can also be fulfilled by other infantry units of the UKF kind of like Rear Echelon and even Rear Echelon can get flamer throwers

and while the wasp on the Bren Carrier does exist that thing tends to have a short life span

Royal Engineers are probably only useful when you get triple lmgs which will cost you 190 munitions but you can also give those lmgs to your Infantry Sections kinda like Rear Echelon you can give them bars or give it to Riflemen the choice is up to you

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2015, 15:21 PMGrumpy

They do have better LOS and slightly better combat abilities than either RE or CE's. If you dropped the pop cap, then wouldn't it make sense to buff the combat abilities of the other engineers to make it fair? If Relic does that with enough units, then eventually the game will be like Warcraft II where all of the units were basically the same but just had different skins. Also, RE's now cost 200 so Pio's are still cheaper on games lasting less than a half hour.

Shocks seem like a really good squad for 8 pop cap. Maybe that is Relic making up for all of Soviet T1 being garbage.

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2015, 19:05 PMwafive

yea, pioneer should back into 5 pop cap, while the smg's of royal engineer even can deal with infantry, unlike pioneer, so it's fine in 6 pop cap

also call same of call-ins infantry and team weapon pop cap is still trouble
like 13 HM-120mm
5 M2HB HMG
8 Fallschirmjager
6 Panzerfusilier
4 smg partisans
8 AT partisans xD
and ect

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2015, 03:28 AMatouba

No. Pioneers with flamethrower don't perform well enough because this squard has poor durability,you simply lose 2-3 models fast and have to retreat.The flamethrower poineers/combat engineers/rear echlon never become problems. Because they are the weakest infantry of the whole game.

At least royal engineers have much more firepower due to their sten smg,they can even force back a grens squard 1 on 1 in close combat.

The thing is relic just don't know what they are doing at all.Leave the weakest infantry(poineers/combat engineers/rear echlon) alone at low pop cost because there's not a single reason to spam them.Increasing the pop to 6 makes no sense because the mainline infantry has 6/7 pop cost.

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2015, 04:24 AMmedhood

The flamethrower provides anti-garrison damage and anti-cover and one it isnt about what they can fight in 1v1 Company of Heroes is a game of combined arms and using a mixture of units so its what they provide to the army and the pioneer fills in many roles in the Wehrmacht army not filled by other units (That is part of the Wehrmacht army) with only a few others that can fulfill it such as the Flame Halftrack which is really expensive and more dangerous to use

The flamethrower is available from the start of the game and is useful thoughout the entire game on maps with buildings

The Royal Engineers just provide a cheaper alternative to the infantry section they dont add anything else to the army they are just a cheaper alternative like Ostruppen

To make it clear Pioneers can fill in more roles than Royal Engineers while Royal Engineers may be good combat units for an Engineer unit they dont fill as much roles

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2015, 10:19 AMatouba

But the soviet combat engineers still cost 5 pop? So why only poineers suddenly needs the pop increasing?It must be a mistake, otherwise it's a joke for relic.

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2015, 10:47 AMmedhood

Must be the extra sight + their MP40s dish out some decent dps compared to the engineer rifles

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2015, 11:27 AMatouba

LOL decent dps? The poineers mp40s still lose to combat engineers rifles sometimes. And because of this thus increasing the pop to the mainline infantry level become reasonable? The cons pop cost is 6 too. So what then? The poineers can be counterpart of the cons now?

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2015, 10:19 AMatouba

But the soviet combat engineers still cost 5 pop? So why only poineers suddenly needs the pop increasing?It must be a mistake, otherwise it's a joke for relic.

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2015, 11:37 AMATCF

Well they have almost the same DPS with their MP 40´s as 4 penal soldiers using their SVT´s from close range so there is that and penals are a "Effective anti-infantry squad"

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 07:02 AMWhat Doth Life?!

As if Combat Engineers have ANY fighting capability. Relic actually nerfed their dps a while back by giving them their own garbage Mosin Nagants while buffing Pioneers sight range, which is awesome with MG42.