Switch Schrecks with Panzerbusche on Volks. Thoughts?

Title says it all. What are your thoughts if Relic switched up Volks and gave them Panzerbusche and gave Shrecks to Obers? Do you thing it will lower the issues of Shreck blobing but still be effective against light vehicles? Thoughts and Opinions?

Hell yeah, I'm sold on the sound effect alone. It will also improve their AI slightly. And building shermans and Ttehteeheefoes will be viable again.

Or granatbusche. Grenade Launcher/PIAT type AI/AT.

I'm against giving volks outdated weapons that were not used at that point in the war. To help immersion it would make more sense to give them Stgs & panzerfaust instead.

Schrecks on Obers would come too late and be too expensive. I'd rather see a new AT hunter squad placed in T2 or T3, that starts with AT rifles and can be upgraded into schrecks.

But relic seems to be done with OKW for the moment, so we won't see any of this ever.

edit it's PanzerbüchSe btw. not PanzerbüSche

Giving late-1944 Volks a 1939 weapon that can't do any shit.

lol?

Giving late-1944 Volks a 1939 weapon that can't do any shit.

lol?

Still see Guards and Conscripts walking around with pretty much the same thing eh? I do agree with AchArcher that an anti tank squad with them can work like the AT Inf Sec.

Nah thanks, I prefer the Schreck. Regarding Obers, there are other threads.

Do volks really need the Panzerbusche though?
There have been arguments about removing the schreck or restricting access to it now that OKW no longer have the resource penalty.
However it seems that people want the Panzerbusche just for the sake of having anything at all.
Having the Panzerbusche also means they have drastically reduced performance against mediums and heavies while still having no snare to prevent cheeses by crushing or similar.

However I propose that they should just be given Panzerfausts as snares, but the late-war versions such as the Panzerfaust 100 or Panzerfaust 150, which would do more damage than the Ostheer Panzerfausts.
This would still allow them to ward off vehicles but they would no longer be mindless A-move troops vs vehicles as they'd have to pay munitions for each shot (which shouldn't be much of a problem with the full resource income)

I think it'd just be a cop-out to give schrecks to sturms and Obers are expensive and strictly anti-infantry
Having such a potent AT weapon on mainline infantry is just cancer though. Volks are also burdened with the schreck IMO as it limits how good they can be. Taking the schreck from volks would allow more freedom with how they are balanced as Relic doesn't have to worry about making them an anti-everything squad with good counters for both infantry and armor.

Overall I think the patch should be in the works a bit longer as there seems to have been some questionable choices made (such as Kubel costing no fuel) but it will be interesting to see how the meta evolves.

- Make schrecks doctrinal (2CP)
- Switch them with the MG34
- Make the MG34 non doctrinal
- Give volks Pfaust ability

- Make schrecks doctrinal (2CP)
- Switch them with the MG34
- Make the MG34 non doctrinal
- Give volks Pfaust ability

And we have now ostheer 2.0 with forward trucks and better light and indoctrinal heavy vehicles :/

Still see Guards and Conscripts walking around with pretty much the same thing eh? I do agree with AchArcher that an anti tank squad with them can work like the AT Inf Sec.

Because Soviet can't invent the RPG, and didn't they copy the American zooka.
Instead of screcks but giving Volks faust is much more historical accurate.

Yes!!!

And we have now ostheer 2.0 with forward trucks and better light and indoctrinal heavy vehicles :/

oh...nevermind
never thought about this factor

I would rather give it defensive stats (better at close, bad at long range).

They would need to do a new model, sound, ect.

Because Soviet can't invent the RPG, and didn't they copy the American zooka.
Instead of screcks but giving Volks faust is much more historical accurate.

I guess really the only they thing the could do is have Lend Lease zooks but that would probably not happen.

....means they have drastically reduced performance against mediums and heavies while still having no snare to prevent cheeses by crushing or similar.

THAT'S THE POINT. Using medium vehicles is a core and fun element of the game, not fucking cheese.

How do people still have problems with shrecks? They just made them even harder to hit infantry (rightfully so), but also buffed bazookas again, on top of not even bothering to give bazookas the target table nerf towards infantry.

what will be the stats of panzerbusche?

what will be the stats of panzerbusche?

I was hopping someone would pipe in on something that would be ballpark around the PTRS and the Boys AT rifle. (Boys getting some changes in the newest patch if I'm not mistaken)

THAT'S THE POINT. Using medium vehicles is a core and fun element of the game, not fucking cheese.

I think you missed the point.
PzBs will just make it easier for an M10 or a T-34 to come and run over your guys then drive away with some chipped paint from shitty AT rifles. The schreck has a good enough damage output to dissuade vehicles trying to run over all your squads as if it was Carmageddon.
A panzerfaust would also stop this as an M10 with engine damage won't be running anything over.

And yes, I'd say tanks wiping a whole squad just by driving into them rather than using its damn cannon is cheese tactics.