Balance Preview Patchnotes

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 16:17 PMDullahan

That's true, but Relic got their ideas from the community. (Not you specifically, necessarily but still) There's a whole thread where they pretty much copied 80% of the changes from even.

I agree, if they have 100% of fuel then their units should probably be atleast 25% more expensive, but I'd really prefer they just didn't give them 100% resources and instead made resource conversion a global ability on the HQ. Maybe tweaked the amount of resources you got for converting slightly.

They just really took a jackhammer to a nail with this overhaul. It's half baked at best and not very well thought out.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 15:59 PMDullahan

No homogenization is making similar units all come out at the exact same time for the exact same cost and turning OKW into USF 2.0 like this patch does. (Only with a better late game.)

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 16:11 PM__deleted__

I tought you was trolling in that post.

Because it would be such major nerf to okw.

If would be like Ok they have small amound of munition , so we give them 25 % more munition and then we will lock 90 % of core design thinks behind munition

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 15:17 PM__deleted__

Thank you for trying to put more essence into my comment, I totally appreciate it. The person does have a point, yet the blame does not ly with the Pershing, neither with its shells. The blame lies with squad spacing, nothing the Pershing nor any other tank should suffer for or can do anything about.

He is mad that clumped up falls get one shotted by a 90 mm main gun from a heavy tank.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 16:21 PMbroodwarjc

Their mainline infantry are vastly superior at AI to Volks. I don't see how the faction is USF 2.0.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 16:22 PMEsxile

Like any other faction? Huh no, because they also pay fuel for the majority of their upgrades. Should we lock shreck behind a 150mp/15fuel lock?

So you also have full fuel to build Pumas/Luch/HT etc... + T0 raken. It is not like you have no other solutions to counter what you face.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 16:39 PMDullahan

The volks buffs don't put them on the same level as Riflemen exactly, but it makes them play very similar. Previously when idiots built 3-4 volksgrenadiers they had a real hard time of it because it's a stupid build order. But now it's rewarded with more damage and more affordable panzerschrecks. (100% income, I realize the 70 muni cost was reverted) Add into that cheaper sturmpios and it's basically assault engineers + riflemen. The new kubel is probably okay in combat too, although better used to go cap stuff while your volk blob is fighting now. They also lost their early game suppression, which makes them more like America. Volks have regular grenades now though, to let them be used like riflemen. :|

Volks don't get any kind of AI weapon upgrade unlike USF, Brit, and Wher mainline infantry. Assault Engies are a doctrinal unit and several doctrines for every faction give them units to fill in gaps where they don't have units. So they really shouldn't count as being the same as Sturmpios which are non-doctrinal. USF don't have a capping unit like the Kubel so even more reason that OKW isn't some clone of USF.

Throw into that pot their new tech system which gives them a psuedo-lieutenant and psuedo-captain (choosing one of the two massively delays the other) that come around the same time as those do.

Lieutenant doesn't heal and Captain doesn't repair vehicles and they both can MOVE. They are vastly different than the trucks design.

The old design dominated early game if you actually used kubelwagons, multiple sturmpios etc. If you did the typical volk spam builds ofc you struggled early game. You're spamming an AT/utility unit like they are frontline infantry.

Watching several matches and from my own experiences this really wasn't a common strategy due to not being that good. It cut down on the amount of capping you could do and good Allied players would take that time to cap a lot more area.

It also had a way better tech structure, moving JP4 to t3 and luchs to t2 was stupid as hell. Those units existed to fulfill gaps that you would have if you went for certain tech paths. If you went T1 + T2, JP4 gave you a reliable counter to medium or heavy tanks. If you went T1 + T3 the luchs provided you with a light vehicle. (Although personally T2 + T3 is where its at) Now they have a what may as well be linear teching structure.

Their tech structure has ALWAYS been the same as USF. You can go T1 or T2 which are needed for T3 or you can go all 3 Tiers. Their tech line has solidly been T1 for several patches now(since ISG super buff). Players felt that the JP4 was coming too early and that the Luchs was coming too late, therefore the switch. Many strategies cna still be used, playing without the healing truck is tough and I think Allies can abuse that to wipe some squads.

I just don't think they needed to be hit by a huge freight train of changes. Especially when those changes just make them play like other factions. They had a unique identity and some fun teching strategies and now they have a pretty boring tech tree. They're also blatantly overpowered now, and will be for months.

The patch isn't finalized so "OKW will be OP for months" holds no water. The meta will take several months to settle and people will bitch and moan about this and that being broken, but players will adapt and after 2-3 months if their really is that single OP strategy/unit the next patch should be ready to fix it. OKW still have a unique identity, no faction has movable tech buildings hat give bonuses on the field, no faction has a capping light vehicle, no faction has a heavy like the King Tiger non-doctrinally(maybe the Churchill). There are going to be certain similarities to design to every faction, it is impossible to balance 5 factions and keep every one of them completely unique. Strategies will always be viable depending on the player's skill. Less skilled players will always use whatever one of the higher ranked player's uses to win a tourney. It happens in every game, there will always be a few units/tactics superior to others and you use those if you want to win more easily. There are always the less powerful units/tactics which can be used for more fun, but are harder to win with.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 16:38 PMSvalbard SD

Here's how your reply to the person would/should have looked if you referred to unit clumping only:

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 16:38 PMSvalbard SD

In addition to the fact that if you believe one-shotting is an issue and not OK, you correct the other person on the cause of the issue, not try discrediting them by calling for their posts to be ignored.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 18:32 PMbC_

December Balance Preview Notes

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German Supply Drop zone plane comes in from longest path so that you can shoot down the plane now.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 18:36 PM__deleted__

Russian one was one button clik that can be countered by AA unit that will counter it forever , while ostheer one can be countered by good unit play and stealing supplys while enemy can protect it with mines and mgs and other stuff (talking mainly from 1vs1)

I think german one was almo more risk vs reward and skill vs reward. I like that type of abilities more.

Please relic can´t you make it as I like ?

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 18:43 PMcapiqua

Which is the grenade who stays? regular or fire?
Because had twice before

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 18:32 PMbC_

December Balance Preview Notes

Bolster Infantry cost increased from 100/25 to 150/35

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 18:36 PM__deleted__

So basicly a shitty version of soviet supply drop.

It get shout down easily and it can be also stolen.

Ah why come on volks ?

Can´t you just replace the russian one with german one ?

Russian one was one button clik that can be countered by AA unit that will counter it forever , while ostheer one can be countered by good unit play and stealing supplys while enemy can protect it with mines and mgs and other stuff (talking mainly from 1vs1)

I think german one was almo more risk vs reward and skill vs reward. I like that type of abilities more.

Please relic can´t you make it as I like ?

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 18:32 PMbC_

December Balance Preview Notes

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OKW starting resource increased from 0 to 10
Battlegroup HQ reduced from 30 fuel to 25
Mecahnized Regiment HQ increased from 40 to 50 fuel
Schwerer Panzer HQ cost increased 100 fuel to 105 fuel
Volks regular grenade removed again
Luch Penetration reduced from 25 to 20
Infantry section damage reverted back from 14 to 16
Infantry section targets reverted back from 0.9 to 0.8
Infantry section veterancy 2 recieved accuracy modifer increased from 0.66 to 0.76
Bolster Infantry cost increased from 100/25 to 150/35
German Supply Drop zone plane comes in from longest path so that you can shoot down the plane now.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 18:03 PM__deleted__

The problem isn't a 90 mm gun one shotting a squad, let alone anything one shotting a squad, it is simply squads humping up and model placement.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 18:03 PM__deleted__

Where did I call for a post to be ignored?

Jump back to quoted post22 Nov 2015, 17:21 PM__deleted__

I wouldn't even quote him in the future if I were you.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2015, 18:45 PMbC_

you get way more with the axis one too