USF cakewalks OKW and Ostheer

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2015, 17:51 PMachpawel

Hi
I'd like to add that the game is unbalanced not only because of units stats. It's because of many little things that add up to a lack of balance. Some players fail to notice how important those 'little' things are. To point out just a few.
1. Number of models in a squad. When it's 4 it means being unable to recrew weapons effectively. It's not only about stealing them, but also about recrewing you own weapons after a won skirmish. With ost it's essential to be able to recrew a pak/mg. It may happen you have to sacrifice a squad or aboandon the weapon. This turns a repelled attack into a loss in manpower war.
2. The repairing of the vehicles - You need to withdraw 200 manpower from the line to repair a vehicle. It stops you from capping, laying mines and very often may tip the balance of a skirmish. Also you must synchronize it with retreating a vehicle. Very often a pio must get to the place when a damaged engine vehicle is. It also delays the coming back of the vehicle into combat. It is a huge contrast with effective and quick repairs by the vehicle crew which can cap at the same time.
3. Teching and not getting any units. With ost you must spend resources to tech + spend resources to build a building (again a pio retreated). A USF player will invest these resources in units running on the field, which changes the balance of the number of units on the map too much. The original design was to make it happen because ost would field much better quality units after teching. It's not true any more. Ost units after teching are on equal or even worse quality than the USF/Soviet units on the field.
I don't want to bore U ppl to death but imo this should be fixed first. Especially teching. If ost could just build buildings without battle phases it would be enough to make it a competitive 1v1 fraction again. The rest could stay the same. What do U think?

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2015, 19:18 PMnegativg

Riflemen need to be good and scale into lategame, as USF has no non-doc elite inf, and can't build anything else before tech.

Before any adjustments are made to riflemen themselves, Rifle Company needs to be adressed, otherwise USF may get overnerfed, classic Relic way.

As many already pointed out, flamers on main line inf are quite retarded. Just replace it with M1919 and push back vet-rifle call-in in CPs so it can be used only for replacing losses.

Buffing OST/OKW in response to flamer rifle problem may in turn screw SOV.
One fix at a time, I say.

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2015, 19:18 PMnegativg

Riflemen need to be good and scale into lategame, as USF has no non-doc elite inf, and can't build anything else before tech.

Before any adjustments are made to riflemen themselves, Rifle Company needs to be adressed, otherwise USF may get overnerfed, classic Relic way.

As many already pointed out, flamers on main line inf are quite retarded. Just replace it with M1919 and push back vet-rifle call-in in CPs so it can be used only for replacing losses.

Buffing OST/OKW in response to flamer rifle problem may in turn screw SOV.
One fix at a time, I say.

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2015, 19:25 PMausterlitz

Rifle vet is extreme atm.As is tommy vet.

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2015, 19:25 PMausterlitz

Rifle vet is extreme atm.As is tommy vet.

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2015, 19:30 PMnegativg

An that may as well be the case. What I say, is to fix the most important issue first, and then see whether the rifles are still problematic. The problems are interconnected, so it's safer to fix them one by one.

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2015, 19:36 PMausterlitz

Riflemen didn't need the lategame vet buff.If u wanted to fix lategame rifle MP bleed easy way was to give an upgrade in HQ after atleast 2 tiers built that would decrease rifle upkeep a little or reduce reinforce cost a bit.So earlygame remained same,but lategame bleed eliminated.

Instead they broke the infantry balance completely with uber vet bonuses now dodging bullets.

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2015, 21:23 PMAngryKitten465

Tommies have same absurd vet. Meanwhile volks, sturmpioneers and grenadiers are crying in a corner.

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2015, 21:28 PMausterlitz

The funny thing is diff between grenadiers and riflemen is justified by 40 mp diff so they 'should lose at all ranges'.
However same 40 mp difference between strumpios and rifles is different story.Sturmpio needed nerf into a state where volks defenceless vs rifle horde.

Allied fanboy logic.

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2015, 19:21 PMAngryKitten465

But I just read that riflecompany is totally fine and justified by the fact that USF was shit a few patches ago.

I agree completely with you

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2015, 17:51 PMachpawel

Hi
I'd like to add that the game is unbalanced not only because of units stats. It's because of many little things that add up to a lack of balance. Some players fail to notice how important those 'little' things are. To point out just a few.
1. Number of models in a squad. When it's 4 it means being unable to recrew weapons effectively. It's not only about stealing them, but also about recrewing you own weapons after a won skirmish. With ost it's essential to be able to recrew a pak/mg. It may happen you have to sacrifice a squad or aboandon the weapon. This turns a repelled attack into a loss in manpower war.
2. The repairing of the vehicles - You need to withdraw 200 manpower from the line to repair a vehicle. It stops you from capping, laying mines and very often may tip the balance of a skirmish. Also you must synchronize it with retreating a vehicle. Very often a pio must get to the place when a damaged engine vehicle is. It also delays the coming back of the vehicle into combat. It is a huge contrast with effective and quick repairs by the vehicle crew which can cap at the same time.
3. Teching and not getting any units. With ost you must spend resources to tech + spend resources to build a building (again a pio retreated). A USF player will invest these resources in units running on the field, which changes the balance of the number of units on the map too much. The original design was to make it happen because ost would field much better quality units after teching. It's not true any more. Ost units after teching are on equal or even worse quality than the USF/Soviet units on the field.
I don't want to bore U ppl to death but imo this should be fixed first. Especially teching. If ost could just build buildings without battle phases it would be enough to make it a competitive 1v1 fraction again. The rest could stay the same. What do U think?

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2015, 19:42 PMnegativg

I disagree on this, maybe the buff was too big, though. As I said, in order to avoid possible overnerf again, I advocate fixing Rifle Company first, all I'm saying.

Cheers,
ng