Ostheer BP3/T4 tech tree cost proposal solution

Relic says one of their balance goals is increasing the number of viable strategies in the game and making core tech tree units more desirable. Also, the brits and ostheer are designed as mid-late game factions.No light armors,but they are given heavier tier units.

In July 21 Update notes,they said they gave OH players the chance to skip Battlephases.But the fact is,you can hardly skip T3.You simply need that Stug or Ostwind/Pz4 to counter the Allies light/medium armors in the mid game stage. If you skip T3 then tech to T4, you sucks due to bad map control.Even though finally you get one panther which is only good at anti-tank,what can you do then?You still lose.

Let's look at the new faction,the brits can easily tech to their heavier tier after they've got a Centaur/Cromwell.Costing less to tech(it's just 200MP/50fuel/30seconds, not to mention it's 200MP/25fule/5seconds previously...lol),then you can build a Comet/Churchill. And 3 special usefull skills are given.Such as free Royal Engineer LMG upgrade and free Blitz ability. Then what can ostheer build when they have built a T3 unit? Nothing except wating for a call-in tiger. Because it cost 360MP/120fuel to tech to T4.If you add the panther cost, it's 850MP/295fule. Of course a tiger is a better choice.

Proposal solution of mine:
BP2 cost from 100MP/45fuel to 100MP/100fuel
T3 cost from 260MP/75fuel to 260MP/20fuel
BP3 cost doesn't need changes,100MP/45fuel
T4 cost from 260MP/75fuel to 260MP/20fuel

So the required MP/fuel of going for T3 units is not changed, it's still 360MP/120fuel(BP2+T3), the required MP/fuel of skiping to T4 is not changed too.It's still 460MP/165fule(BP2+BP3+T4).But OH players can tech up to T4 more easily after getting T3 units.The new BP3+T4=360MP/65fule,still more expensive than the brits 200MP/50fule/30seconds.This will give players more choices instead of waiting for tigers at all time.

The panther and pwerfer both are fine,they don't need changes any more, but the brumbar is totally underperforming.This unit should be a more attractive anti-infantry option compared to the T3 ostwind. Otherwise, why do people choose this unit when they must skip Battlephases first? TBH the brummbar doesn't need AT capability, so nerf the penetration but buff its accuracy and cost to make it more usefull.

At last,this is what I always say,ostheer don't have a light armor tier,it makes no sense they have a heavy armor tier but can't build them at all.

Edit:The objective is lower the BP3+T4 fuel cost by 55 fuel then move this 55 fuel to BP2 cost(45 to 100),so the required MP/fuel of skipping to T4 is not changed thus it won't be too easy to skip to T4.If you feel 100 fuel is too high for T3,then maybe this would be fine:

BP2 from 45 to 75fuel
T3 from 75 to 45fuel
BP3 doesn't need changes,45 fuel
T4 from 75 to 45fuel

It still cost 360MP/90fuel when you wanna tech to T4 after getting T3 units.Still more expensive than the brits.But it helps alot.

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this forum is about allys, and since this is about buffing axis not nerfing them nobody cares

good suggestion btw +1

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BP2 cost from 100MP/45fuel to 100MP/100fuel

I predict such a change would simply produce more Ostheer players going t1 supported by pak 40s and stall for call ins (Tigers).

Other than that, good idea, but that price is just way to high.

BP2 cost from 100MP/45fuel to 100MP/100fuel

I predict such a change would simply produce more Ostheer players going t1 supported by pak 40s and stall for call ins (Tigers).

And Stugies E and Pumas. How about no

BP2 cost from 100MP/45fuel to 100MP/100fuel

I predict such a change would simply produce more Ostheer players going t1 supported by pak 40s and stall for call ins (Tigers).

Other than that, good idea, but that price is just way to high.

But there was no change in cost? First P4 would still come at 315 fuel assuming no vehicle purchases. In theory that would happen is T4 would come sooner if you went T3, but not if you skip T3. Since Relic doesn't seem interested in making British special tier more expensive, I support making Ostheer's cheaper.

But there was no change in cost? First P4 would still come at 315 fuel assuming no vehicle purchases. In theory that would happen is T4 would come sooner if you went T3, but not if you skip T3. Since Relic doesn't seem interested in making British special tier more expensive, I support making Ostheer's cheaper.

I support making ost teching cheaper. But something like a battle phase that will cost a 100 fuel, will set people off. Just a gut feeling.

Since BP2 no longer is needed to unlock the FHT (IIRC), there's absolutely no change in teching cost besides making T3 + T4 more accesible without changing pacing.

BP2 cost from 100MP/45fuel to 100MP/100fuel

I predict such a change would simply produce more Ostheer players going t1 supported by pak 40s and stall for call ins (Tigers).

Other than that, good idea, but that price is just way to high.

The required MP/fuel cost of going for T3 is not changed.It is 45+75=120 for current game version and it is 100+20=120 for my suggestion.Perhaps teching to BP2 will be delayed but it will be faster to get a T3 building.

The objective is lower the BP3+T4 fuel cost by 55 fuel then move the 55 fuel to the BP2 (45 to 100),so the required MP/fuel of skipping to T4 is not changed thus it won't be too easy to skip to T4.If you feel 100 fuel is too high for T3,then

BP2 from 45 to 75
T3 from 75 to 45
BP3 doesn't need changes,45 fuel
T4 from 75 to 45

The required MP/fuel cost of going for T3 is not changed.It is 45+75=120 for current game version and it is 100+20=120 for my suggestion.Perhaps teching to BP2 will be delayed but it will be faster to get a T3 building.

The objective is lower the BP3+T4 fuel cost by 55 fuel then move the 55 fuel to the BP2 (45 to 100),so the required MP/fuel of skipping to T4 is not changed thus it won't be too easy to skip to T4.If you feel 100 fuel is too high for T3,then

BP2 from 45 to 75
T3 from 75 to 45
BP3 doesn't need changes,45 fuel
T4 from 75 to 45

I like the latter better

In this way the cost which OH spends teching to T4 after getting T3 units will be reduced by 30-55 fuel. And this value can be discussed. Another solution is:

BP2 from 45 to 85
T3 from 75 to 35
BP3 doesn't need changes, still 45
T4 from 75 to 35

Etc. But pls do something to help the OH T4 cost. Currently 120fuel is just too expensive for teching to T4.

End of ost tech tree u getting better tank than any allied fuction, also ost tech tree unlocks some upgrdes (pfaust-rifle nade-lmg42-panzerhsrecks).
Brits nade unlock 25 fuel
Brits lmg/piat unlock 25 fuel
soviet molotv unlock 25 fuel
soviet at nade 25 fuel
usf zook/bar unlock 25 fuel
usf nade unlock 25 fuel

soviet/usf t4= ost t3

End of ost tech tree u getting better tank than any allied fuction, also ost tech tree unlocks some upgrdes (pfaust-rifle nade-lmg42-panzerhsrecks).
Brits nade unlock 25 fuel
Brits lmg/piat unlock 25 fuel
soviet molotv unlock 25 fuel
soviet at nade 25 fuel
usf zook/bar unlock 25 fuel
usf nade unlock 25 fuel

soviet/usf t4= ost t3

OH and brits are designed to be better at late game stage,that's why they have panthers/comets.The problem is the OH can hardly get T4 units except larger team games.

By asymmetrical balance OH can unlock nades/LMG when they tech up.But the whole tech tree cost of the OH is more expensive than the Allies.The SU/USF have a must to unlock the nades/weapons but meanwhile they can rush to light armors.Also the brits can rush to Centaur/Cromwell.That's a fair trade.

BTW,something is 15 fuel not 25:brits nade,molotov and usf zook/bar.

T4 needs a redesign

Knights cross holders are gone, brumbar is terrible and Panther has been nerfed to the point that stugs are better AT. Panzerwefer really only unit worth getting, and thats a situational unit

Basicly T4 units are a waste of fuel that other units cant do better and more cost efficiently, you have to do more then just reduce T4 price, nothing in it is appealing.

So fix broken brits instead of unbroken ost, if u lower ost tech tree cost u should give usf/sov some stock good tanks comparable with panther. usf/sov t4 still = ost t3, Pointing broken things and asking buff isn't good idea imo.

So fix broken brits instead of unbroken ost, if u lower ost tech tree cost u should give usf/sov some stock good tanks comparable with panther. usf/sov t4 still = ost t3, Pointing broken things and asking buff isn't good idea imo.

I agree with you but it seems relic won't change the brits any more...Also, if you have read my post carefully, you will see what I have suggested won't change the cost of skipping to T4 at all,the fuel cost skipping to T4 is still very expensive, it's not changed as before. What I suggest is lower the cost of BP3+T4 by 30-40 fuel but move the fuel to BP2.