Soviet Defensive Tactics Redesign

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2015, 20:24 PMBeefSurge

This sounds like a Soviet Infantry Company.

Frontoviki Tactics?

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 00:05 AMProBro

I bolded the changed options for you. But Soviets really need a revamp, as do Ostheer and Americans.

CP 1: Combat Engineers can build bunkers, which can be upgraded with a DShK for 60 muni. Bunker is the same one that is in the base territories.

CP 1: Forward HQ is now build able in friendly territory Would be more defensive oriented

CP 2: TM-44 Anti-tank mine. 60 muni, a mine that only explodes by vehicles. Does heavy damage to vehicles and can cause destroyed engines; Tank Traps are build able.
Think like the Soviet version of Riflemen field defenses.

CP 5: Conscripts can upgrade to 2 DP-28s for 75 munitions.


CP 9: KV-1 Can Now be called in. Buff KV1 to Churchill cost and stat wise and allow it to hold the line for the Soviets against Axis assaults, and spearhead counterattacks.

CP 12: Not One Step Back; all enemy units in friendly territory are bombarded with ML20 saturation barrage. Infantry fight with increased tenacity. Friendly units may not retreat while this ability active. 300 munitions. Interesting ability with cool twist; could be balanced by Artillery effectiveness and cost

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 12:14 PMAchtAchter

honestly mines, tank traps, bunkers should be all unlocked with a single commander ability. A lot of commanders are just outdated when compared with WFA factions and brits.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2015, 12:59 PMArclyte

The ethos of a good defensive oriented commander should not only be about producing a superior defensive position, but also adding something that would force the enemy to attack that defensive position, like artillery of some kind.

For Soviets. Repeal the god awful community commander and replace it with something...anything. Here is my take:



Reinforced Defenses: Lets infantry construct a reinforced sandbag wall with much more hp, with a built-in wall of razor wire on one side to prevent the enemy from using the cover. Takes longer to build than regular sandbags. Also let's CE's build tank traps and bunkers.

Guards Rifle Infantry: No explanation needed

Heavy Anti-Tank Mines: Allows CE's to build anti-tank mines triggered by vehicles only, with a high probability of immobilize (Just copy/paste the riegel 43 mine from ostheer)

100mm field gun M1944 (BS-3): Allows for the call-in of a powerful 100mm field gun to the field, a major threat to even the heaviest of armor.

Katyusha BM-31-12 rocket launcher: An up-gunned variant of our beloved/hated BM-13-16 Katyusha, this truck carries 12 300mm rockets instead of the 16 132mm the baseline katy carries.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 21:52 PMelchino7

Reminder that we won't see NEW things added to OLD commanders. You can actually play around with things we already have although.

What we have now:
All 2 CP 45mm AT gun, 120mm, Tank traps, Mines, Dhska

What it should be:

0CP: Defensive package tools - Allows CE to build bunkers, tanks traps and those S-mines. S-mines are now built in blocks of 4 (less micro).
2CP: Combined arms defensive group - 600mp - Calls 1 45mm AT gun, 1 Dhska and 1 120mm mortar
8CP: ML20
9CP: KV1

For a "special" ability i'll rather you choose it from:
-Scorch earth tactics: basically sector artillery
-Hold the line: copycat of Brits ability. Like the idea of disabling momentarily retreat
-Katyusha saturation barrage: can't we use the victory strike as offmaps ?

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 15:07 PMAngryKitten465

Filthy money grabbing dlc bullshit. Should end this very day! I do not support any more Doctrines. Improve the current ones! I support your efforts however!

Jump back to quoted post28 Oct 2015, 02:46 AMvan Voort

Personally as this was "Community Designed" I would leave it and Ostheer one as they are.

Jump back to quoted post28 Oct 2015, 02:46 AMvan Voort

CP0 Dishka, M42, Tank Traps
CP2 120mm
CP8 Mark Target

Jump back to quoted post28 Oct 2015, 02:46 AMvan Voort

I wouldn't put doctrinal armour in a defensive commander because that's not how Soviets used their armour

Jump back to quoted post28 Oct 2015, 02:46 AMvan Voort

You remember that this one is free right?


Personally as this was "Community Designed" I would leave it and Ostheer one as they are.

Then when anyone comes along and claims that "Relic should listen more to the Community" we can point to this as what happened when they did and that maybe the professional game designers might be able to do a better job than the amateurs

* By "Community" they usually mean "Me" or if they are feeling expansive "Me and my friends and anyone else who agrees with me"


However if only as an intellectual exercise, here's my thoughts on this issue.

The Defensive Commander suffers from a number of problems:

Everything comes at once, relatively late and is expensive. At 0CP there was a point to getting this stuff out, but at 2CP you either have already had T2 up or you have gone T0-T1 and will have trouble buying all this stuff anyway.

Lack of scaling into late game, there's nothing to keep this relevant

Lack of munitions sink other than mines and demos



Therefore, with as few changes as possible:

CP0 Dishka, M42, Tank Traps

CP2 120mm

CP8 Mark Target


Dishka would get buffed so it has decent anti-vehicle performance, and the M-42 would get camo like Raketen do and maybe better AI capability.


That won't make it a powerhouse, but it would at least give some opening choices and later game viability


I wouldn't put doctrinal armour in a defensive commander because that's not how Soviets used their armour