I think these abilities need to be looked at.
The P-47s only target vehicles and to be honest don't do that much damage. It's more of an area denial ability than anything.
Then you get to Stuka Close Air Support Loiter with is ANTI EVERYTHING. It targets infantry, AT guns, Tanks, you name it and KILLS something in one pass.
How is this "balanced" or fair?
The P-47 rocket strike should either target everything also but priority would be vehicles or have the Stuka Close Air Support Loiter only target vehicles.
(The British version rocket and gun strafe of vanguard targets both)
I remember when people cried about the P-47s being too strong so relic nerfed them from 60 to 50 range which is a big deal.
Also, does anyone know the range of the Stuka Close Air Support Loiter? Is it also 50 or is it 60?
P-47 Rocket Strike vs Stuka Close Air Support Loiter
25 Oct 2015, 15:32 PM
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25 Oct 2015, 15:47 PM
#2
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Maybe you are to much of an allied lover 
25 Oct 2015, 15:50 PM
#3
Posts: 484
Neither "balanced" nor "fair" mean the same as "identical".
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25 Oct 2015, 16:02 PM
#4
Posts: 44
1st thing first, CAS does not loiter but I assume you mean the other more expensive stuka AT strafe
P47 and stuka Skillstrafes are just lazy non micro abilities, at least Close air support anti tank strafe requires a bit more thinking about direction of the strafe. P47 and stuka such noob abilities.
Would be nice if they changed all skillstrafes into just one strafe like in close air support doctrine but people want to be able to win tank battle with one click
P47 and stuka Skillstrafes are just lazy non micro abilities, at least Close air support anti tank strafe requires a bit more thinking about direction of the strafe. P47 and stuka such noob abilities.
Would be nice if they changed all skillstrafes into just one strafe like in close air support doctrine but people want to be able to win tank battle with one click
25 Oct 2015, 16:21 PM
#5
Posts: 1283 | Subs: 4
Meanwhile the meek cries of the IL-2 go unheard
25 Oct 2015, 16:24 PM
#6
Posts: 279
I think P-47 just needs to clump its rockets together. It's weird when the strategy to getting hit with p-47 is to do literally nothing because rockets will pass to your tank's sides.
25 Oct 2015, 16:31 PM
#7
Posts: 621
Maybe you are to much of an allied lover
He is rank 32 as Axis for 2v2 so I doubt it
1st thing first, CAS does not loiter but I assume you mean the other more expensive stuka AT strafe
P47 and stuka Skillstrafes are just lazy non micro abilities, at least Close air support anti tank strafe requires a bit more thinking about direction of the strafe. P47 and stuka such noob abilities.
Would be nice if they changed all skillstrafes into just one strafe like in close air support doctrine but people want to be able to win tank battle with one click
You are thinking of the close air support commander, some other wehrmacht commanders have an ability called Stuka Close Air Support and its similar to the p47s USF airbourne have except it targets everything
http://www.coh2.org/guides/7418/german-commanders-part-2-cedlc#335 < Stuka Close Air Support Ability
25 Oct 2015, 16:40 PM
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Permanently BannedImo -stuka-close-air-support need nerf or change price, coz 200 ammo to ability its to cheap. Its good that relic do 2 planes not 1 wipe like it was before.
And need more love to il-2 strafe (both 180 and 90 muni
. Change price or buff it with hight price, but not like he was old.
And need more love to il-2 strafe (both 180 and 90 muni
. Change price or buff it with hight price, but not like he was old.
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25 Oct 2015, 16:42 PM
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Stuka CAS targeting everything while costing the same of the only-vehicle P-47's is about as bad as the 6-pounder being a Pak40 with more accuracy at 25% less cost.
Meanwhile the meek cries of the IL-2 go unheard
25 Oct 2015, 16:59 PM
#10
Posts: 473
Permanently BannedWon't happen. Just look at how long it took them to change the old IL2 strafe of doom, not to mention into what they changed it
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
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It feels handicapped from the start
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25 Oct 2015, 16:59 PM
#11
Posts: 473
Permanently BannedWon't happen. Just look at how long it took them to change the old IL2 strafe of doom, not to mention into what they changed it
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
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It feels handicapped from the start
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25 Oct 2015, 17:24 PM
#12
Posts: 521
They're both fine, IL-2 strafing run needs fixing. All it does is tickle light vehicles and kills a couple infantry here and there.
25 Oct 2015, 17:30 PM
#13
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Typhoon loiter is better than both of them, why don't you qq about it instead of the stuka loiter?
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25 Oct 2015, 17:36 PM
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Typhoon loiter is better than both of them, why don't you qq about it instead of the stuka loiter?
If its britz it's fine according to community
25 Oct 2015, 18:10 PM
#15
Posts: 238
I do agree that the IL-2 strafe also does need a look at. I remember when it was way too strong wiping retreating squads like crazy.
25 Oct 2015, 18:15 PM
#16
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I think it targets team weapons only if there aren't any tanks on the field. Typhoons REK everything.
25 Oct 2015, 18:38 PM
#17
Posts: 238
I think P-47 just needs to clump its rockets together. It's weird when the strategy to getting hit with p-47 is to do literally nothing because rockets will pass to your tank's sides.
THIS, exactly. I have had games where players didnt move there panzers at all, just sat there and the rockets would MISS bc the rocket would land on the sides of the tank and not hit it directly. If the rockets were close to each other it would fix that issue. The rockets only seem to hit heavy tanks due to their large model size.
25 Oct 2015, 18:44 PM
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This is how I think this should be fixed:
P47 Spawns 4 planes
2 planes fire rockets as they are now
but 2 more planes come
1 of these 2 drops clusterbombs
the other is just an MG strafing run
P47 Spawns 4 planes
2 planes fire rockets as they are now
but 2 more planes come
1 of these 2 drops clusterbombs
the other is just an MG strafing run
25 Oct 2015, 19:02 PM
#19
Posts: 3103 | Subs: 1
This is how I think this should be fixed:
P47 Spawns 4 planes
2 planes fire rockets as they are now
but 2 more planes come
1 of these 2 drops clusterbombs
the other is just an MG strafing run
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26 Oct 2015, 02:25 AM
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Posts: 589
IL2 strafe should be improved if any thing first
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