5 men commando squad

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 20:21 PMcomm_ash

I personally want commandos to become a more skill-based unit. THey should require tactics to use effectively. This is why I would like to see:

-Commandos get soviet sniper cloak. Only active when in cover, and dissipates the moment they leave cover.

-Ability to create yellow cover (foliage, small ditches), to help them set up ambushes.

-Less recieved accuracy to punish them for charging enemies head-on.

-Commando Gammons mirrored to bundle-grenades.

-Ambush ability no longer gives access to damage modifiers.

This way, commandos will have clear counterplay (scout units) since they have to stay stationary to ambush enemies. It will also make them less able to singlehandedly walk up to enemy positions and murder them to death. At the same time, it retains their uniqueness and keeps them as very effective flank engagement and flanking units.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 20:21 PMcomm_ash

-Ability to create yellow cover (foliage, small ditches), to help them set up ambushes.

-Less recieved accuracy to punish them for charging enemies head-on.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 21:33 PMDullahan

Don't they already have this? They have a smoke grenade that gives light cover bonus.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 15:38 PMRomeo

I think that if commandos receive any other nerfs, they will definitely need their stealth as it is to perform for their cost. Otherwise they will have to sit idle in cover hoping an enemy walks into them, rather than stealthing around the battlefield looking for important targets. I find that to be the most fun and unique aspect of the squad, so it would be a shame to remove that if it weren't absolutely necessary.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 20:30 PMpugzii

Trash idea. Whole point commandos are fun is that you can move into enemy territory undetected. Remove that and kill commandos.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 22:00 PMhannibalbarcajr

What about simply lowering them to 4 man squad (they were small elite teams so 5 men isn't really feeling very real) and that takes care of their uber DPS right there. leave gammon the same so they can be a nasty hit and run unit and simply make them de-cloak if they ever leave cover for more than 1 second. This way you have to move carefully from cover to cover or wait in cover but IMHO, I agree with you that removing their camo abilities completely would be a shame and remove a very fun and challenging/rewarding unit.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 12:02 PMIron Emperor

What if Commando's were like the Rangers in Ardenne Assault (Ooooh I wished that those would come in-game) They've great dps out put, but don't have any cover. You've to move through cover and more hidden paths to come close, but rape people that don't pay attention and get flanked.

Personal thing how I'd like to see commando's.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 20:21 PMcomm_ash

I personally want commandos to become a more skill-based unit. THey should require tactics to use effectively. This is why I would like to see:

-Commandos get soviet sniper cloak. Only active when in cover, and dissipates the moment they leave cover.

-Ability to create yellow cover (foliage, small ditches), to help them set up ambushes.

-Less recieved accuracy to punish them for charging enemies head-on.

-Commando Gammons mirrored to bundle-grenades.

-Ambush ability no longer gives access to damage modifiers.

This way, commandos will have clear counterplay (scout units) since they have to stay stationary to ambush enemies. It will also make them less able to singlehandedly walk up to enemy positions and murder them to death. At the same time, it retains their uniqueness and keeps them as very effective flank engagement and flanking units.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 11:47 AMAngryKitten465

Sounds good apart form the gammon bomb being the same, the timer is way to low.

How is removing their cloak on the move also removing a 'challenging' unit? There is nothing challenging about commandos, they are a no brainer unit.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 16:31 PMhannibalbarcajr

The one change I would make to cloaking is a longer re-cloak time after firing their weapons or tossing their G bomb. That prevents abuse of firing the darting away and cloaking to prevent counter fire. It also makes sense that they wouldn't be able to re-cloak in a couple seconds like a sniper can since they are a squad of men and not 1 man (2 in case of SU).

How does that sound?

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 16:31 PMhannibalbarcajr

Add an additional .5-.75 seconds to bomb then. What I mean is it's a great tool to hunt for snipers and other support units that are well guarded by enemy MG/inf/tanks. If commandos can't stay cloaked while on the move in cover: 1st that makes no sense since they are a stealth unit just like a sniper and so should be able to stay cloaked while moving in cover and not firing. 2nd you couldn't use them offensively for raiding at all if they lose the moving cloak ability and you will be stuck using them as ambush units as they are so expensive for reinforcement that fighting along side front line troops is an MP drain.

The one change I would make to cloaking is a longer re-cloak time after firing their weapons or tossing their G bomb. That prevents abuse of firing the darting away and cloaking to prevent counter fire. It also makes sense that they wouldn't be able to re-cloak in a couple seconds like a sniper can since they are a squad of men and not 1 man (2 in case of SU).

How does that sound?

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 17:01 PMAngryKitten465

It does sound good! I don't want their cloak to be removed for movement in cover, but rather for movement out of cover. As of now, they can move from cover to cover pretty much cloaked no matter the distance. Moving cloaked in cover is fine by me and gives the unit its edge. However moving from cover to cover cloaked shouldn't be a think, unless the cover is like 0.5 seconds apart from each other.

And yes the longer re cloak is a very good idea! Wonderful!

Also as someone else already posted after your comment, I would also think a small dps nerf is needed. We must be conservative with these efforts though, an overnerf is not what I want for this unit, not at all!

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 17:01 PMAngryKitten465

It does sound good! I don't want their cloak to be removed for movement in cover, but rather for movement out of cover. As of now, they can move from cover to cover pretty much cloaked no matter the distance. Moving cloaked in cover is fine by me and gives the unit its edge. However moving from cover to cover cloaked shouldn't be a think, unless the cover is like 0.5 seconds apart from each other.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 17:54 PMPutinist

I somewhat disagree, I'm unsure if the sneaky nature of the unit would fall apart if they couldn't move with cloak. Maybe a few seconds (2?) cloak time when out of cover (out of combat) instead of 0.5 sec or similar would suffice. The point is shock, trap and flank value, and with a too short recloak time (out of combat) with the debatlable dps nerf would tip the risk vs reward too much towards risk favor when considering the cost.

What I do agree with is simply a way longer recloak time when in combat and a slight dps nerf. Would be awesome to try that out and go from there to see if they're still overperforming or not.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 18:21 PMAngryKitten465

I tend to agree slightly, but I stand with my points nonetheless.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 20:04 PMWingZero

The price adjustment needs to be made if the DPS going to be toned down and not to mention reinforcement cost.