Extra Squad Member
6 Oct 2015, 19:07 PM
#1
Posts: 1384
Is this ever fucking useful?
6 Oct 2015, 19:18 PM
#2
Posts: 1890 | Subs: 1
I'm kinda curious as to what increase in DPS/Damage is with the extra Squad member if someone has crunched the numbers. Right now it kind of feels like you are better off saving the fuel for a Centaur rush and then getting the Bolster Squads afterwards.
6 Oct 2015, 19:48 PM
#3
Posts: 1384
I've been trying purchasing this really early on so my new squads have 5 men but I haven't noticed much benefit considering how much it slows down my teching.
And then I get a 222 in my face with my pants down and I lose the map.
And then I get a 222 in my face with my pants down and I lose the map.
6 Oct 2015, 20:04 PM
#4
Posts: 1122
Nope.
It only good for sapper spam builds or in super late game if you managed to keep your 2 infantry sections alive.
It only good for sapper spam builds or in super late game if you managed to keep your 2 infantry sections alive.
6 Oct 2015, 20:05 PM
#5
Posts: 1024 | Subs: 1
Ostheer also should got it after unlock BP3, shouldn't it? Only applies on pios and grenadieres
6 Oct 2015, 20:29 PM
#6
1 Posts: 2885
Ostheer also should got it after unlock BP3, shouldn't it? Only applies on pios and grenadieres
They shouldn't they have best late game basic infantry already
6 Oct 2015, 20:37 PM
#7
Posts: 974 | Subs: 2
An addtional member per sqaud is of course really usefull. I go always early for the tech like. mg, +size tech, is, is. 
6 Oct 2015, 21:12 PM
#8
Posts: 1024 | Subs: 1
They shouldn't they have best late game basic infantry already
But 5-mans section with double MG42/BREN are worse than 4 man mg squad? Are you serious? Even sappers are better than grenadieres. You should play more because you knowledge is on low level
6 Oct 2015, 21:21 PM
#9
Posts: 1384
Using this a bit more, I can't decide if it's actually changing the tide of fights or not. I'm winning fights, but is it because I'm in cover and doing mad deepz or is it because the extra guy makes the difference? Hard to tell.
6 Oct 2015, 21:22 PM
#10
Posts: 1653
currently axis have one of the worst units. 5th member would be nice.
6 Oct 2015, 21:26 PM
#11
Posts: 1384
But 5-mans section with double MG42/BREN are worse than 4 man mg squad? Are you serious? Even sappers are better than grenadieres. You should play more because you knowledge is on low level
Don't grenadiers still have good armour? Or did that get nerfed sometime in the last two years and I missed it?
6 Oct 2015, 21:48 PM
#12
Posts: 341
Ostheer also should got it after unlock BP3, shouldn't it? Only applies on pios and grenadieres
amazing idea, maybe we can see some more tier 3 play from ostheer , u'd have to unlock it from the building itself though .
6 Oct 2015, 21:58 PM
#13
Posts: 1024 | Subs: 1
Don't grenadiers still have good armour? Or did that get nerfed sometime in the last two years and I missed it?
Schoks approve it
6 Oct 2015, 22:05 PM
#14
Posts: 466
extra squad member is worth it. its a lower chance of axis players wiping ur squards. and allows u to stay in engagements for abit longer
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6 Oct 2015, 22:32 PM
#15
1 Posts: 2885
But 5-mans section with double MG42/BREN are worse than 4 man mg squad? Are you serious? Even sappers are better than grenadieres. You should play more because you knowledge is on low level
In case of IS you have to take into consideration that all their weapons are useless out of cover so they need maps that give it and micro while grens can be a-moved to victory on any map. So in my opinion grens win big time just for being consistent and the ability to fight flamers (in cover its just a death sentence) itself.
On the other hand I have nothing to defend sappers, its ridiculous how one one side building unit is best long range unit in game cost wise and on the other how brits have to cheese to win because they mainline infantry is so bad...
6 Oct 2015, 22:53 PM
#16
Posts: 473
Permanently BannedRoyal Engineers with bren lgm and 6mp reinforcement cost and extra armor at vet 2 plus cover bonus 
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
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It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
6 Oct 2015, 23:06 PM
#17
Posts: 1024 | Subs: 1
In case of IS you have to take into consideration that all their weapons are useless out of cover so they need maps that give it and micro while grens can be a-moved to victory on any map. So in my opinion grens win big time just for being consistent and the ability to fight flamers (in cover its just a death sentence) itself.
Cover givEs section extra Vision at vet1. Non vet bonus is +50 rof. You think that, it really hurt brens? Lets make 3 vet lmg grens against 3 sections with double brens. Even both without cover. Guess who will won? Also, grens are not allowed to build any piece of green cover so what we are talking about
7 Oct 2015, 00:01 AM
#18
Posts: 1930
Cover givEs section extra Vision at vet1. Non vet bonus is +50 rof. You think that, it really hurt brens? Lets make 3 vet lmg grens against 3 sections with double brens. Even both without cover. Guess who will won? Also, grens are not allowed to build any piece of green cover so what we are talking about
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zWvP-tmqoCN3fJey9-WPX9VBJzmMoS_E90VrvgsA3Uw/edit#gid=0
http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/grenadier_mg42lmg_mp
http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/grenadier_kar_98k_rifle_mp
the cover bonus is not that big unless you're using the bren, but even then the bren is inferior to the lmg42 despite them costing the same. Yes, double bren gun will win, and it's also extremely expensive.
7 Oct 2015, 12:23 PM
#19
Posts: 61
It is actually effective if you rely more on Is.
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12 Oct 2015, 15:42 PM
#20
Posts: 742 | Subs: 1
Very good upgrade in next patch, if reinforce cost change remain 
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