dbmb has been removed from OCF
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edit: i respect the ban for this tourney, i just cant see the reason for long term ban.
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Yes as far as I know relic has a single public IP address, at least from what I've seen. And I know how PAT/NAT works, the fact of the matter remains that he openly admitted to being Raz. I even have it screenshot at home if people still don't believe. But the odds of two different users logging in from the same ip back to back and both those users happening to be Raz & dbmb and them being different people is astronomically low. Plus both would have to be on the same ISP, in the same area... That's a lot of coincidences.
You're assuming that there are two different people that both play coh2, live in the same area, use the same ISP, both are under investigation for cheating/having cheated, one openly admits to being the other and yet they're not the same person... I don't buy it.
no, this isn't about dbmb/razh in particular. your first post with "he admitted to it" pretty much sealed the deal for me there. still i think that the ip ban system itself is flawed. and it's at least a little hypocritical to ban him now for something that happened ages ago (i'm not saying i'm against cheaters getting banned, but i guess you know why i say that it's hyprocritical of coh2.org).
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Disclaimer: I'm not refering to cheating in this post in any way.
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Having his playercard wiped was hardly a big deal.
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i dont get that
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Lol wut? Sport athletes dont get lifetime bans for cheating with doping, unless being caught multiple times.
That is because in almost every sport, 95% of the top athletes use performance enhancing drugs. Banning someone immediately after one offense will leave a sport without its 'elite' in a few years
The most funny aspect of this god awful sports system is that the companies that perform these 'drugtests', most of the time aren't even licensed to do so
I study Sports, Health and Management, I had a shitstorm about this phenomenon in my first year of college
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Permanently Bannedso what happens if two users share the same computer? would they get banned.
Well that would imply that they both use the same steam account and the same copy of the game. Otherwise I think it won't work that way.
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how is his playercard wiped when u can see him in top 10 ladder?
i dont get that
His old account, Raz was stat wiped by relic as punishment for map hacking in automatch.
He then made a new account dbmb. At first to hide the fact that he was Raz, but then everyone found out.
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His old account, Raz was stat wiped by relic as punishment for map hacking in automatch.
He then made a new account dbmb. At first to hide the fact that he was Raz, but then everyone found out.
How did they find out haha, I am getting curious.
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The site/tournament staff has the right to ban him from participating if they have proof he cheated imo. The only crappy part is that they told him the day of as he was getting ready to play. I mean, the guy practiced for weeks and scheduled multiple weekends around playing just to be told he was banned. Should have not even let him sign up if you felt this way tbh.
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How did they find out haha, I am getting curious.
Relic made an announcement that they were wiping wins for map hacking. Raz's wins all disappeared. People put two and two together.
Unless you meant how did they find out who he was. The short version, he told people.
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Relic made an announcement that they were wiping wins for map hacking. Raz's wins all disappeared. People put two and two together.
Unless you meant how did they find out who he was. The short version, he told people.
The last bit is what I aimed for. Thank you CieZ
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How many tournaments does he need to rekt before we realize he is making idiots out of all of us? Ban da fucker as an example and let's move on. Ciez is next. #MVGame
Dis dat quality Daddy G wisdom. #MVGame
Real talk though, people are defending someone who 100% maphacked in the past, and was already under INSANE suspicion since Romeos SCK. Things have been found out, actions have been taken, and one more cheating scumbag bites the dust.
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Dis dat quality Daddy G wisdom. #MVGame
Real talk though, people are defending someone who 100% maphacked in the past, and was already under INSANE suspicion since Romeos SCK. Things have been found out, actions have been taken, and one more cheating scumbag bites the dust.
in case you meant me, no i'm not defending him. just saying that ip bans pretty much always are crap (or, like in this case, using IPs to prove something). another thing thats at least odd is that he seemingly is the only one being punished on here too (as in, there were multiple guys that had their stats wiped, or are known cheaters and are still around).
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Relic made an announcement that they were wiping wins for map hacking. Raz's wins all disappeared. People put two and two together.
Unless you meant how did they find out who he was. The short version, he told people.
http://www.companyofheroes.com/blog/2014/04/11/cheating-in-company-of-heroes-2
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The faster the ban, the more effective. Sadly, he had put effort into practicising, but in his case you have to wonder, you've been under scrutiny for maphacks before, people know who you are, so when's the big old banhammer going to fall? Chances are, when it most matters.
You can debate the ethics of this all you like, but in the end this was the biggest Coh 2 event ever, do not assume we would get down on our knees to cheaters and let them cheat their two and a half grand.
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