Broken balance USF vs OST

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 17:33 PMiTzDusty

Jesus guys.

Learn to smoke. USF has the earliest available and literally the longest range infantry smoke in the game.

Learn to play.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 17:39 PMBurts

And? Smoke is completely pointless because if the MG is supported the suppresed rifles will be forced to retreat by the grens nearby.

Unless you have prior vision of where the MG is, then smoke won't do anything.


And i honestly have no idea how you are supposed to do any kind of flank in the early game because of USF having -1 squad due to the ost MP changes.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 14:49 PMJunaid

i've been in the alpha and all ill say is that good things will come to those who wait regarding USF indirect fire options IIRC.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 17:43 PMiTzDusty

Smoke, because, if.

What do you want me to say? Lol relic usf sux nerf ost plz I'm bad?

Riflemen are the best rifle squad in the game, two of them will beat an MG, grens, and probably a pioneer if you flank and position properly, in addition to having nades.

But you know I guess I don't know how to play USF.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 17:43 PMiTzDusty

Smoke, because, if.

What do you want me to say? Lol relic usf sux nerf ost plz I'm bad?

Riflemen are the best rifle squad in the game, two of them will beat an MG, grens, and probably a pioneer if you flank and position properly, in addition to having nades.

But you know I guess I don't know how to play USF.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 17:46 PMBurts

Then please provide a replay of you or someone beating a good ost player in 1v1. Like i'm said, i'm open to L2Ping, but i've literally tried anything and from my experience the situation you described is completely impossible unless you somehow get a perfect idea of where everything is. Doing any kind of flank as USF in 1v1 is incredibly risky because USF nades are completely horrible and can easily be dodged by pretty much anyone.

A single squad showing up from somewhere unexpected will completely ruin your flank, and considering that the US is on a disadvantage in numbers in the early game, it is completely possible.

No matter how good you are, you will run into MGs and they will force your rifles to retreat, over and over again because even at long range you can't escape their suppresion.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 17:49 PMiTzDusty

I have plenty from 2v2, though I will play and stream USF 1v1s today and show that MG42s are not some stupidly OP uncounterable unit.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 17:46 PMVonIvan

Well the biggest problem for USF last patch was lmg gren blobs with pak walls + CAS. If continuing into the late game unless you have a 3:1 adv armor/inf wise you would eventually get bled to death.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 17:51 PMiTzDusty

Lemon showed this last night on stream, late game USF is about support weapon spam with indirect fire and Jackson's. Riflemen do bleed a lot late game, which is why you don't replace any losses above two squads and instead use 50 cals and Pak howis which will not bleed you nearly as much. Priests as well deal with Pak walls and mgs late game.

People aren't playing USF the way they should be in the new patch, they should go back to the drawing board.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 17:51 PMiTzDusty

Lemon showed this last night on stream, late game USF is about support weapon spam with indirect fire and Jackson's. Riflemen do bleed a lot late game, which is why you don't replace any losses above two squads and instead use 50 cals and Pak howis which will not bleed you nearly as much. Priests as well deal with Pak walls and mgs late game.

People aren't playing USF the way they should be in the new patch, they should go back to the drawing board.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 17:39 PMBurts

And? Smoke is completely pointless because if the MG is supported the suppresed rifles will be forced to retreat by the grens nearby.

Unless you have prior vision of where the MG is, then smoke won't do anything.


And i honestly have no idea how you are supposed to do any kind of flank in the early game because of USF having -1 squad due to the ost MP changes.


If you could post a replay of you or someone beating a good top 50 or whatever ost 1v1 player, then please do because im at a complete loss of what im supposed to do.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 17:59 PMGiaA

You're not going to win a 1v1 with 50 cals and Pak howitzers though

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 18:06 PMchipwreckt

Need Cruzz in this topic, I think hes been winning games with USF whole day. Even vs Ostheer Kappa. With rekking everything with pack howie and Stuart.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 18:00 PMiTzDusty

Well have to see, people aren't trying out new things.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 18:07 PMBurts

i was at a complete loss on how to beat ostheer as USF, then i asked cruzz and he told me to give up

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 18:06 PMchipwreckt

Need Cruzz in this topic, I think hes been winning games with USF whole day. Even vs Ostheer Kappa. With rekking everything with pack howie and Stuart.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2015, 18:07 PMBurts

No he hasn't. I explicitly made this thread because i was at a complete loss on how to beat ostheer as USF, then i asked cruzz and he told me to give up