Tuning Pack OKW P4

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2015, 04:58 AMcomm_ash

I am seeing a lot of people wanting a fu cost decrease, citing okw resource penalties.

But that's always been the way okw has worked. They can get initial armor out fast enough, but have a hard time replacing it. And it's not like you don't get bonuses for that minus, you have access to vet 5 so that your infantry and vehicles scale much better into the lategame than your enemies' units.

You pay 135 fu for the best stock medium in the game (230 frontal armor). If you pay less, then the unit itself has to be weaker.

If okw fu units get a cost decrease, then there would be no point in having a fuel penalty. Panthers cost the same for both okw and ostheer, as does the puma. This proves that equal fu cost for equal performance is how it works.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2015, 05:00 AMAlexzandvar

Most people (me included) are fine with the price. But it being the best stock medium armor wise doesn't make the fuel penalty not exist.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2015, 05:05 AMcomm_ash

Fuel penalty has nothing to do with it. The fuel penalty is compensated for by giving you a stock heavy, vet 5 on all units, and extremely efficient teching (ie. Bonuses on buildings).

Im not quite sure what you are saying?

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2015, 05:23 AMAlexzandvar

OKW wasn't very well thought out when it was designed. A faction should have a logical progress of power upwards, not a "weak most of the game then HOLY SHIT AHHHHHHHHHHH". The best thing about the new PIV is it makes OKW midgame a loooooot more tolerable.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2015, 07:03 AMIron Emperor

Firesparks, what would you suggest as popcap raise?

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2015, 07:03 AMIron Emperor

Firesparks, what would you suggest as popcap raise?

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2015, 18:07 PMQueenRatchet123

Just like how you can have 4 fussiliers for every 5 rifles. Mybad, thats an axis unit so its fine.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2015, 07:20 AMAlexzandvar

Iv suggested this before; lower the fuel cost of all OKW tanks by 33% but raise the MP cost by 50% and increase the pop cap by 3-4 for each tank so you can get tanks actually out the door but replacing them is a challenge.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2015, 07:53 AMJohnnyB

Putting in T4 a medium tank that would be fuel expensive to a fuel starved faction is like giving to one knight the best armor and weapons and send him alone to conquer the castle.

Thanks but no thanks, I will rely on my panthers if the fuel cost for PIV J will be ridiculous as some people are discussing here.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2015, 08:23 AMAchtAchter

Don't play okw if you can't preserve your units.
Popcap increase is a big lategame nerf and manpower increase will lead to a gg if you are in a situation where you bleed a lot of mp or got some rng infantry wipes.
I think its fine as it is.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2015, 07:53 AMJohnnyB

Putting in T4 a medium tank that would be fuel expensive to a fuel starved faction is like giving to one knight the best armor and weapons and send him alone to conquer the castle.

Thanks but no thanks, I will rely on my panthers if the fuel cost for PIV J will be ridiculous as some people are discussing here.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2015, 12:04 PMausterlitz

What OKW really needs is stock mg34 to defend against maximspam and infantry blobs.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2015, 12:04 PMausterlitz

What OKW really needs is stock mg34 to defend against maximspam and infantry blobs.