USF superglue on tanks

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 01:59 AMcomm_ash

No it can't. With decent micro, it is slightly more effective than a puma vs. infantry, but a Luchs is infinetly better vs. infantry. Just looking at the units changed stats can tell you that.

"Health increased from 320 to 400
Moving accuracy increased from 0.5 to 0.75
Penetration increased from 45/45/60 to 45/50/65
FOW Scatter multiplier penalty reduced from 300% to 25%"

The patch made it slightly better vs. vehicles, as survivable as a Luchs HP wise, better on the move, and significantly decreased the FOW multiplier which is mainly useful when getting the last shot off on a retreating vehicle behind smoke/ a hedgerow, not infantry. The only change that helps vs. infantry is the on the move penalty, and all that does is make it slightly better on the move. The base accuracy and AOE are very low, and as a result it is more of an infantry sniper than anything else. Even on the move.

There is no way in hell a Stuart is ever going to kill nearly as many models (or be as annoying) as the Luchs, when the Luchs also doesn't have to fear shrecks on half the squads it fights.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 02:21 AMAlexzandvar

The Luchs is better versus enemy infantry because it's anti armor performance is fairly bleh. The Stuart now (Iv seen it done plenty) can kite like it's never been able to before and now that it can actually take an extra it it can make more use of it's anti-armor abilities.

In 3's and 4's it's still shit, in 2's and 1's it works well for it's price. It could still obviously maybe use a little bit more pen or damage but right now its light years ahead of what it used to be.

It can also instantly repair crits on it's self, hop out and repair 1 HP and the vehicle is back and moving.

EDIT: To put things in perspective it's moving accuracy is .75 now compared to the Luchs .25.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 03:12 AMmycalliope

ok can anyone tell me the reason why us have vehicle crew and have no penalty for it while other factions doesn't have this feature what reason did relic gave for it....???

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 03:12 AMmycalliope

ok can anyone tell me the reason why us have vehicle crew and have no penalty for it while other factions doesn't have this feature what reason did relic gave for it....???

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 17:12 PMCookiezNcreem

Whats this,the 6th nerf allies thread youve made.

If they hit the mine on a flank and they get critted,they have to cancel their flank and repair. Mine did its job.

if they hit the mine on the frontline,jumping out to repair a crit is extremely risky under fire,especially with new popular MG42 spam,one burst of suppression or DPS = free sherman. Mine Did its job.

USF tanks are complete paper,but yeah,lets take away the one survivability perk they have going for them.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 03:29 AMAppleseed

it is still too cheap, there is many times, my mine or panzerfust did engine damage on USF tanks, and my AT infantry is chasing the tank, USF just hop out tank, my at infantry lost target and start firing at crew man, and 3 sec later they hop back in (maybe lost 1-2 model) and backward full speed and run away from my AT infantry while my AT infantry still loading their shreks because they wasted on fire at crew man. i don't see my mine or panzerfust did its job, if same thing happen to any other factions like OKW, USSR, Osteer it usually means dead tank. also what is the chance of a mine covering by a HMG42? usually mines are covering flanks front line mines usually will blow up by random explosives, which means waste of munition.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 03:28 AMcomm_ash

I think of it as faction flavor. USF has a repair squad (RE) with 0 combat potential, so vehicle crews give them a way to not use RE except as sweepers. USF also has nothing but 640 HP mediums and bleeds manpower heavily lategame with rifles, so they cannot afford the popcap or reinforcement cost to have extra repair units.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 03:59 AMPorygon

RE ARE NOT having ZERO combat potential, my beloved genius strategist.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 03:59 AMPorygon

RE ARE NOT having ZERO combat potential, my beloved genius strategist.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 04:09 AMcomm_ash

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The whole theme of US mobility is dependent on vehicle crews allowing USF medium armor to operate at the flanks of the battle without requiring a dedicated pit crew. USF lacks abilities like blitz, and their armor isn't particularly well-armored, fast, or powerful individually, thus they get the noncombat bonus of self repairs.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 04:33 AMBeefSurge

America had by far the best logistics in WWII too. It actually makes sense from a historical standpoint for them to repair the most efficiently.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 04:56 AMPorygon

Yes, their repair was supreme. Able to turn a total fuck up aircraft carrier back into fully operational in matter of weeks.

But doesn't mean they turn a total fuck up tank back into fully operational in 2 seconds is making sense. Especially when they revive IS2/ISU becomes more ridiculous.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 04:56 AMPorygon

Yes, their repair was supreme. Able to turn a total fuck up aircraft carrier back into fully operational in matter of weeks.

But doesn't mean they turn a total fuck up tank back into fully operational in 2 seconds is making sense. Especially when they revive IS2/ISU becomes more ridiculous.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 06:49 AMJohnnyB

Wow, an USF nerf thread and allied lovers are jumping of their pants? Guess the allied bias is inexistent .

That being said, I am not FOR this ability change / removal. USF armor is shitty enough so it's ok to have a slight advantage (the crews and their wonders). As long as smoke (doctrinal or not) and blitz are existing, critical repair should exist too. I don't know if rising the cost of this ability is required. USF needs alot of amo to equip infantry, to use abilities. Manpower (because of expensive units and expensive reinforcements) and armor icome are its weackest points, I don't think any such cost may be risen.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 06:49 AMJohnnyB

Wow, an USF nerf thread and allied lovers are jumping of their pants? Guess the allied bias is inexistent .

That being said, I am not FOR this ability change / removal. USF armor is shitty enough so it's ok to have a slight advantage (the crews and their wonders). As long as smoke (doctrinal or not) and blitz are existing, critical repair should exist too. I don't know if rising the cost of this ability is required. USF needs alot of amo to equip infantry, to use abilities. Manpower (because of expensive units and expensive reinforcements) and armor icome are its weackest points, I don't think any such cost may be risen.