Balance Data Since The Patch

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 21:59 PMiTzDusty

http://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2013/01/6563/

"Today’s update is a big one. After gathering feedback from pro players around the world, we’ve made significant changes to weapon balance with global changes to recoil that affect all weapons, as well as specific adjustments to rifles, pistols, and the P90. We’ve also made some changes to the messaging system, so check the notes for details."

From Valve themselves. If you think Dota 2 or any of the other mentioned games are any different when they fill the exact same developer intent of esports/competitive play, then you just have your fingers in your ears.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 22:05 PMTatatala

What you've just shown me, is a change to the game that benefits all players, with the help of the pro's that play it.

Not a change to the game that benefits just the pro's and "fuck you other guys".

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 21:48 PMiTzDusty

Aerohank, someone who is reknowned for being an extremely poor sport and BMer in 1v1s

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 22:15 PMTatatala

Because CoH isn't CS:GO. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is CS:GO harder to play as any one side than the other at lower skill levels?

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 22:19 PMAerohank

Forgive me for not saying GG WP every time I face the same boring meta play or abuse of imbalanced features. Most of the things I have moaned about have either already been changed or are on the agenda to be changed, so'd I'd say that most of my complaints have been legitimate complains.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 22:19 PMAerohank

Forgive me for not saying GG WP every time I face the same boring meta play or abuse of imbalanced features. Most of the things I have moaned about have either already been changed or are on the agenda to be changed, so'd I'd say that most of my complaints have been legitimate complains.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 22:25 PMJustin xv

Worse BM'er than Alladin?

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 22:19 PMAerohank

Forgive me for not saying GG WP every time I face the same boring meta play or abuse of imbalanced features. Most of the things I have moaned about have either already been changed or are on the agenda to be changed, so'd I'd say that most of my complaints have been legitimate complains.

I want to say that here we see almost the same sample of players gets different results with different faction.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 20:26 PMNapalm

Nailed it. The attitude of "well, only top XX skilled players count towards balancing" is doing nothing for the over all health of the title. Should a paying customer not have a fun experience no matter the skill level? However, Relic has never stated who they balancing/designing factions for. Casuals? Hard cores? Perhaps they are completely satisfied with their current approach and have no intentions of changing it.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 22:29 PMFuzz

This thread, wow. I'm not sure what the issue is with the stats, these are the "top level players" for each faction. AT's aren't included, but for 2v2's at a higher level you can definitely pull out a win with a random teammate with some basic communication. There is a disadvantage for sure, but it's not impossible.

All this really proves is how delicate the balance is, I guarantee things would be much worse if Relic implemented every single alpha change right from the get-go. Personally, I love the patch. Never was a fan of spamming heavy call-ins and the changes have already brought a lot of new play-styles.

Is there still work to be done? Yeah, for sure. Could these stats be a reflection of people still working out new strats? Probably. I like the way things are headed though. Captain tier is alive for the first time (speaking of 2v2's) and it's already made the game way more enjoyable for me. Lend lease for Soviets is great, MG's are more reliable, stug life is back

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 22:27 PMiTzDusty

So you don't think you were at least a bit hypocritical?

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 22:35 PMAerohank

I play non-meta 95% of the time and I face meta 95% of the time.
Even I, who is so vocal about balance and non-meta play, sometimes get tired of getting crushed by abusive strategies and then I have to vent a bit. Can I have at least that without being brandished as a hypocrite?

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 22:34 PMAlexzandvar

Balance right now is all over the place BECAUSE they decided to only include a pathetic amount of the balance changes. Do you seriously think Soviets being stuck with dumb tier placement and shit stock units is good? How about OKW having a non-existent mid game? USF still having problems with the fact they lack any kind of diverse start?

The only new play styles that this patch has brought is Soviet's spamming T34/85's 100% of the time instead of only 75% of the time.