Stug G vs. Soviet and Allied armor

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 09:25 AMAerohank

If they removed TWP yes. Otherwise it would be way too good. In fact, I´ve got the strange feeling that the new StugG might be a bit too effective at sniping medium tanks now with the increased penetration and TWP.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 09:30 AMAlexzandvar

It's garenteed to get penned by essentially anything that shoots at it, so it's a bit of a glass cannon which I think will balance it out. It's also got a forward fixed gun which means pathing with it can be an absolute nightmare sometimes.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 09:58 AMsherlock

This is rather wrong. All mediums have a good chance to not penetrate the stug.

I provided the probabilities in this thread here

At vet 2 the stug will be able to bounce every third shot from close range.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 10:05 AMAlexzandvar

When you have 560 health every penned shot hurts a lot, and yes the most basic mediums occasionally at max range will fail to pen but in normal engagement range they will do fine (nobody sits at max range to shoot at a StuG). The 140 frontal armor means even the humble USF 57mm AT gun will pen it every shot.


The only 2 mediums in the game that have trouble per your post are the AP Sherman and T34/76, literally everything else will pen it always.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 10:09 AMsherlock

This again is wrong. I updated my original reply. The 560 health makes it take the same abount of shots from every medium as the medium is able to take itself.

Almost all tanks do 160 damage, ergo 460/160=3.5 or 4 shots to kill. Mediums have 640 health, so 640/160=4.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 10:12 AMAlexzandvar

EDIT: I said "glass cannon" because it's not very durable compared to the rest of the TD's in the game, think of it like the Jackson except the StuG III has high DPS instead of high alpha damage.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 10:15 AMJohnnyB

So the conclusion is that Stug G will be OP? Hahahahahaha

Got forbid Axis has something good and cost effective in the same time. You guys are funny.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 10:05 AMAlexzandvar

When you have 560 health every penned shot hurts a lot, and yes the most basic mediums occasionally at max range will fail to pen but in normal engagement range they will do fine (nobody sits at max range to shoot at a StuG). The 140 frontal armor means even the humble USF 57mm AT gun will pen it every shot.


The only 2 mediums in the game that have trouble per your post are the AP Sherman and T34/76, literally everything else will pen it always.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 10:15 AMJohnnyB

So the conclusion is that Stug G will be OP? Hahahahahaha

Got forbid Axis has something good and cost effective in the same time. You guys are funny.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 10:19 AMsherlock

The rest of the tank destroyers?

Tank destroyers in coh2 (non doctrinal)

- su85 hp: 640 (takes 4 shots from most at sources), same armour as stug
- jp4: hp: 640 (takes 4 shots from most at sources), better armour than stug
- stug: hp: 560 (takes 4 shots from most at sources)
- jackson: hp: 480 (takes 3 shots from most at sources), worse armour than stug

These all are glass cannons following this line of logic.

The only tank destroyer and anything but "the rest of the TDs" to be less of a glass cannon is the panther

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 10:21 AMCardboard Tank

Soviet no tech, call in meta gets harder. You really expected that the Russian fan train would let that happen without resistance?

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 10:04 AMCardboard Tank

Sounds like the StuG G actually becomes decent now.

I like how some people already fear that it will become OP. Everything that makes the Soviet OP T-34/85 or IS-2 meta harder is very welcome. Now I can use the allied fanboy term from the last patches: Learn to adapt.

You don´t attack SU-85s with mediums frontally. Neither should you attack StuGs this way.

Meta prediction: Spotting scope doctrines will become way more common.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 10:40 AMKatitof

We have played with the changes already. It was a tiny bit stronger in alpha, but it also got cost increase.
With its survivability and pen going up and cost staying on current level, it becomes most cost effective TD in game, unless you believe 10 range less then 60 to be worth 35-45 fuel and much bigger menpower price(jackson, SU-85, JP4).

I'm not saying it will be OP, but there is quite high chance for that, given fastest vet speed and best vet1 ability in game a TD could have.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 10:52 AMJohnnyB

Best vet 1 ability? What about the ability of spotting for itself that SU-85 has?

Is that a weaker ability? Like any other TD, it will be hardcountered by cheaper units. As long as SU-85 isn't OP, nor should be the Stug.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 10:23 AMAlexzandvar

The SU-85 doesn't need to engage in 50 range and can sight for itself, the JPIV can cloak while having the smallest target size of any vehicle in the game. I compared the StuG III to the Jackson for a reason; they both have very similar armor (one it 140 one is 130).

The Jackson has a turret and superior mobility (60 range as well) to the StuG but less health, really it's a toss up between the two which is more glass and more cannon since one has high alpha and one has very good DPS. But both are meant to be supported by other things and are hard countered by AT guns.

The short gun sherman isn't a class cannon because it's got a turret, very good speed and acceleration and smoke. The T34/76 is just well, uh, not very good lol.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 12:27 PMsherlock

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