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Why Riot Balances LoL for higher tier players

26 May 2015, 11:58 AM
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A great article featuring Riots balance designer about why Riot balances LoL for higher tier players.

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A frequent topic of discussion in the League of Legends community is: who, exactly, is Riot incessantly tweaking and updating its game for? Does the developer prioritize the eSports stars, high-ranking amateurs, or more casual players? They don’t go to the very top of the food chain, it turns out. But they get close.

In a recent Q&A that was published on the League of Legends forums, balance designer Scarizard explained that Riot’s “philosophy” leads the company to balance its hugely popular competitive multiplayer game “towards players at the upper end of mastery, which we currently believe to be around platinum and above.” Going lower down than that, and the quirks and defects of individual play styles make it prohibitively difficult to evaluate the game—at least when it comes to specific gameplay balance adjustments.

Platinum, for those unfamiliar, is the fourth highest rank one can achieve when playing League’s ranked mode:



Why Riot Tweaks League Of Legends To Make It Better For Its Best Players

The current League of Legends tier, from left to right: Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Diamond, Master, Challenger. Source: Riot Games.

But the order of the rankings doesn’t give the full picture here. Statistical breakdowns of League of Legends’ player-base, such as this one by League of Graphs, show that the majority of League players place in Silver or Bronze ranks (each ranking is broken down into several smaller divisions). Together, the Silver and Bronze levels make up almost 70% of League’s player-base—at least the part of it that plays in ranked. Platinum and above, meanwhile, accounts for a little more than 11.2 percent.

Why would Riot balance its game towards such a small fraction of its player-base? Scarizard explains that the developers identify “core values” for assessing in-game performance that is “consistent as a baseline” to properly determine “what’s powerful in League”:

Deciding ‘who we balance for’ hasn’t been an easy task, but we quickly honed in on a few core values: competitive mindedness, mechanical aptitude, and strategic expertise. Mind you, these aren’t the only things that we think contribute to player skill (e.g. raw leadership and communication skills are important in any team game), but the above are ones we focus on when it comes to our broad-level balance. Players with these qualities are, on average, much more consistent as a baseline of what’s powerful in League. But what about pros? Certainly our professional community shatters these conditions (some more than others, as even professional players have their strengths and weaknesses), but we don’t necessarily believe that the Fakers and Bjergsens of the world should be the standard that every player is held to. If that’s the case, how can we represent this spectrum most effectively?


They further qualify these core values based on players’ “foundational skills”—the raw material of understanding League in as much depth as is necessary to do well—and “optimization”—the ability to execute on these foundational skills effectively:

Let’s back up a step. Along the spiral path that is Mastery in League of Legends, you can divide it into two sections: foundational skills and optimization. To expand, foundational skills are the building blocks of strategy within League - knowing the why and how of objectives, understanding the nuances of proper itemization, manipulating the ever-important vision game, and executing against your team’s strategic composition are just a few examples. You can be stronger at some and weaker at others, but each is a crucial piece when it comes to putting together League’s sprawling strategic puzzle. By contrast, optimization is the fine-tuning and development of these skills - when to take an objective, what order to build your items, where to place or deny vision, the mechanical specifics of champion matchups, and so on. Optimization is necessary for players that have mastered the basics to gain subtle (but potent) edges against the opposition. Think of it like building muscle - foundational skills net you the strength, and optimization shows off your definition.


The game’s current ranking system might not be perfectly accurate, Scarizard admitted. But he maintained its the developer’s “best proxy to represent a player’s skill.” At the lower ranks of League, then, player’s grasp on the game is too slippery to use them as the primary source of design decisions when it comes to balancing and rebalancing the game:

This doesn’t mean we devalue the feedback from players below platinum - only that we’re acknowledging that a high amount of variance occurs in those tiers. Many factors are at play - is Master Yi overpowered if you’re able to dominate a game with him? Alternatively, did the enemy team lack the understanding to focus-fire or apply crowd control? With a more strategic use of map movement, item builds and mechanical execution against Master Yi, more competitive players at a higher average skill help to paint a clearer picture of Master Yi’s power level, often revealing when the intended play against him is failing and needs us to intervene. Extreme outliers, be they pubstompers or pro-level pains will always be addressed, but more often than not our patch-to-patch changes are centered around this skill bracket.


The consistency of top-level players makes them more useful guinea pigs for League of Legends’ balancing team. Interesting. Then how are we to interpret the “high amount of variance” that occurs in the game’s sub-Platinum tiers? Scarizard’s explanation suggests players at lower levels come up short in regards to embodying the core values League balances for. But they still stand to benefit from the game’s trickle-down design philosophy.

Hopefully, at least. One has to wonder what League of Legends might look like today if Riot based any or all of its non-stop rebalancing decisions squarely on the interests of players lower down the ladder.


26 May 2015, 14:01 PM
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Interesting read, thanks wuFF!

Does a good job of explaining why designers need to focus balance around the upper echelons of player skill. I believe that Relic has come to this conclusion as well. I'm looking forward to the next few patches :)
26 May 2015, 20:19 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 May 2015, 14:01 PMCieZ
I believe that Relic has come to this conclusion as well. I'm looking forward to the next few patches :)


+1 :D
26 May 2015, 20:21 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 May 2015, 14:01 PMCieZ
Interesting read, thanks wuFF!

Does a good job of explaining why designers need to focus balance around the upper echelons of player skill. I believe that Relic has come to this conclusion as well. I'm looking forward to the next few patches :)


One can only hope. +1
27 May 2015, 20:37 PM
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Bear in mind that the top 11.2% would include basically everybody who cares enough about the game to post here
Neo
27 May 2015, 21:12 PM
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For those of us who don't know much about League, what rank window in CoH2 ladder would this Platinum level correspond to?
27 May 2015, 21:22 PM
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Assuming that there's about a total player base of about 15,000 (I think, this is the lowest rank I've ever seen?). 11.1% of that would be around rank 1680 and upwards. If the total playerbase is about 10.000 then it's probably closeer to 1,120.
Neo
27 May 2015, 21:36 PM
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So they balance for ranks 300-1000? Sounds about right.
27 May 2015, 23:47 PM
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The total player base is way more than 15,000, and not everybody plays all modes anyway

At 5 million installations, 11.2% would be 550,000 players
28 May 2015, 00:31 AM
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The total player base is way more than 15,000, and not everybody plays all modes anyway

At 5 million installations, 11.2% would be 550,000 players


Copies sold =/= active player base.

And a portion of the active player base only comp-stomps, therefore does not need to be considered when balancing the game (since they generally don't care).

There are probably between 10k-15k people who actively play multiplayer, maybe 20k... Relic is the only one with the real numbers.

I'd say balancing within the top 1500 is fair. I think anyone that cares enough to push up the ladder will at least care enough about balance to be considered when making balance decisions.

Although, with a significantly smaller player base than LoL, Relic might need to focus on the top 5-7% instead of ~11%.

Overall the point still stands that for a competitive game you have to balance around the top subset of players. Anything below that can either be overcome by increased skill, or is a skewed perspective because of a lack of mechanics and/or game knowledge.
28 May 2015, 02:34 AM
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and in or around 1500, the player pool plateaus, and matchmaking will contort in such a way that you may be regularly matched against people in the top percentiles. 1K is a frustrating place where it you'll be on the outside looking into tournament land, and stomp on everything else. it's a shame the pool is so polarized, but i supposed that's to be expected with such a small player base.
28 May 2015, 08:10 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 May 2015, 00:31 AMCieZ


Copies sold =/= active player base.

And a portion of the active player base only comp-stomps, therefore does not need to be considered when balancing the game (since they generally don't care).

There are probably between 10k-15k people who actively play multiplayer, maybe 20k... Relic is the only one with the real numbers.

I'd say balancing within the top 1500 is fair. I think anyone that cares enough to push up the ladder will at least care enough about balance to be considered when making balance decisions.

Although, with a significantly smaller player base than LoL, Relic might need to focus on the top 5-7% instead of ~11%.

Overall the point still stands that for a competitive game you have to balance around the top subset of players. Anything below that can either be overcome by increased skill, or is a skewed perspective because of a lack of mechanics and/or game knowledge.


+1
28 May 2015, 20:47 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 May 2015, 00:31 AMCieZ


Copies sold =/= active player base.



No doubt, but people (not you) look at the top number of steam players at one time and think that's the player base when it's not



Nowhere in the original source does it say "active player base"

It does say:

But the order of the rankings doesn’t give the full picture here. Statistical breakdowns of League of Legends’ player-base, such as this one by League of Graphs, show that the majority of League players place in Silver or Bronze ranks (each ranking is broken down into several smaller divisions). Together, the Silver and Bronze levels make up almost 70% of League’s player-base—at least the part of it that plays in ranked. Platinum and above, meanwhile, accounts for a little more than 11.2 percent.


Emphasis added


Also, I have had COH2 rankings at 100,000 +



11.2% of the "ranked players" would be "everybody who plays 1v1"
28 May 2015, 23:01 PM
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Awesome! Hopefully, Relic does likewise.
28 May 2015, 23:56 PM
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So im a top player in coh now?:snfBarton:
29 May 2015, 00:11 AM
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Yeah, but you still suck at War Thunder
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