Relic, the Community, and the NDA

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2015, 23:58 PMhound54

I agree with CieZ on his commentary.If people who were fortunate enough to be in the alpha then behave like children what confidence can we have in them as testers.I would like to see the best players test this alpha so that this game would be the best it could be.

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2015, 23:39 PMBudwise

We're not the NDA Police but we won't tolerate blatant leaking of info either. COH2.ORG is a fan site, fans want the game to be a success. If you signed an NDA then its advisable to hold up your end of the contract. We as volunteers are not here to read between the lines and determine if you're possibly breaking a Relic NDA.

All we ask is that you use some common sense people.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2015, 00:11 AMCieZ

This. Exactly.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2015, 00:16 AMJackiebrown

How does this pertain to the individuals who are not participating in the alpha and are not bound by the NDA? Will it be passed off as harmless speculation or full fledged breach of NDA to which the individual is not bound to (even if the info isn't correct)?

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2015, 00:20 AMWhySooSerious

Can't break it if you didn't sign it

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2015, 00:27 AMNapalm

Think of it this way.

Stop thinking about yourself for a moment. You as a poster belong to a community within coh2.org. It is a sub-community of a larger Company of Heroes community. We want to encourage Relic to participate with us informally (see Q&A chat with Quinn) and formally (tournament sponsorship) etc. If you were in Relic's shoes why would you want to participate in a community of shit heads who (you feel) are damaging your product.

You wouldn't.

This is about relationships and not some Rambo inspired vendetta. When you do shitty things it'll damage the relationship.

I hate the NDA with a passion. It is holding so much back. The best we can do for now is to continue to advocate for changing of the NDA terms.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2015, 00:27 AMNapalm

Think of it this way.

Stop thinking about yourself for a moment. You as a poster belong to a community within coh2.org. It is a sub-community of a larger Company of Heroes community. We want to encourage Relic to participate with us informally (see Q&A chat with Quinn) and formally (tournament sponsorship) etc. If you were in Relic's shoes why would you want to participate in a community of shit heads who (you feel) are damaging your product.

You wouldn't.

This is about relationships and not some Rambo inspired vendetta. When you do shitty things it'll damage the relationship.

I hate the NDA with a passion. It is holding so much back. The best we can do for now is to continue to advocate for changing of the NDA terms.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2015, 00:48 AMNuclear Arbitor

the community makes the product a success or not. if relic feels that the community being excited over their product hurts the product then they and their product will be harmed by it.

i also don't see how breaking the NDA makes relic less likely to share informally as informally sharing does not have an NDA (by definition). i can understand that they might feel that the community has violated their trust by sharing but the sharing isn't usually malicious; someone get's into the alpha and they share some information with their CoH2 buddies who didn't get it. those people then share it 2nd hand with other people. how clearly and how much they share various from situation to situation.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2015, 00:37 AMJackiebrown

I don't like to be the bearer of bad news, but their trust in us was shown in preivous alphas and betas where it seemed that Relic didn't trust us to tie our own shoes...

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2015, 01:11 AMpigsoup

maybe it is all due to the fact that in the early days when the game had bigger and more open beta testers, beta patch notes and stuffs were leaking a lot?

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2015, 00:37 AMJackiebrown

I don't like to be the bearer of bad news, but their trust in us was shown in preivous alphas and betas where it seemed that Relic didn't trust us to tie our own shoes. After a long and silent relationship, I can see where people's reservations about "trusting" Relic comes from. It will take a while to heal, but changes need to be made on both sides of the aisle. Relic needs to be more upfront with us and trust us instead of hiding everything behind their NDA. And at the same time we start treating them with more respect.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2015, 02:17 AMturbotortoise

It's interesting, when people start citing the past, when everything as of late, new patch, road map, alpha, weekly streams, in that context show infinitesimally more openness on relics behalf. However, infantile it might be to measure things like that, they've done X thus everything's OK now- I'm no longer bitter. I'm more interested in the progress and the process of forging a better relationship. I've forgiven relic... however egotistical that may sound, and i hope they've forgiven the harsh nonconstructive things i've... we've, said in the past. I feel like it's us at the moment who have to meet them half way.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2015, 02:23 AMJackiebrown

This is an all around problem, both sides exacerbated the issue. Pointing at only one side or another is ignorant, some people need to realize that. And with this new step they are taking, its awesome, something we have been waiting for a long time. But they need to be commited to it, and live up to the promise of being more open. I think if they live up to their side of it, the community will gradually follow suit and do the same.