T-34 is garbage against infantry
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21 May 2015, 05:32 AM
#81
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What did you smoke? It surely was good stuff.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
21 May 2015, 09:56 AM
#82
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Alot better than Panther.
T34 being better then Panther in AI.
Yea, it is a gold medal here.
Competition is still para Olympics though.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
21 May 2015, 13:52 PM
#83
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T34 being better then Panther in AI.
Yea, it is a gold medal here.
Competition is still para Olympics though.
Well, he went full retard and said that t34 cant do shit against infantry, and that isn't true, and i said it is alot better than panther (which is true) and i got a reply "ha dont be stupid, stupid".
Makes you wonder...
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21 May 2015, 13:53 PM
#84
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What did you smoke? It surely was good stuff.
My dealer says the samething. Compare T-34 vs Sherman (high explosive shell) and P4 Mg-42 gunner than ya T-34 is garbage against infantry.
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21 May 2015, 14:09 PM
#85
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My dealer says the samething. Compare T-34 vs Sherman (high explosive shell) and P4 Mg-42 gunner than ya T-34 is garbage against infantry.
Well, then I must have just dreamed about my squads being one-shoted by T34 I guess, it never happened... like at least once per game.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
21 May 2015, 14:31 PM
#86
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Well, then I must have just dreamed about my squads being one-shoted by T34 I guess, it never happened... like at least once per game.
Sucks for you. You should've sacrificed a goat for the RNG Gods.
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21 May 2015, 16:33 PM
#87
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Well, then I must have just dreamed about my squads being one-shoted by T34 I guess, it never happened... like at least once per game.
Meanwhile the MG sucks, the RoF is slow and it misses the other 9/10 of it's shots.
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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22 May 2015, 05:25 AM
#88
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I don't know guys but for me T34 is performing at least as well as the shermann when it comes to AI. Shermann without HE shells of course.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
22 May 2015, 13:50 PM
#89
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@JohnnyB
Lower RoF, lower AoE, worse scatter, worse MGs.
You saying AP rounds doesn't really mean much here, because AP rounds sherman performs terribly against inf.
Most of players here are mature(at least physically), keep the fairy tales for kids.
Lower RoF, lower AoE, worse scatter, worse MGs.
You saying AP rounds doesn't really mean much here, because AP rounds sherman performs terribly against inf.
Most of players here are mature(at least physically), keep the fairy tales for kids.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
22 May 2015, 14:17 PM
#90
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T34/76 doesn't excel at any particular task and is usually not worth the 100 fuel. That doesn't mean that it can't kill the crap out of infantry units.
I notice that the T34/76 rarely hits infantry while moving, and while it's gun isn't great, it's when the tank is stationary that you will see the best anti-infantry results.
I notice that the T34/76 rarely hits infantry while moving, and while it's gun isn't great, it's when the tank is stationary that you will see the best anti-infantry results.
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22 May 2015, 15:11 PM
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T34/76 doesn't excel at any particular task and is usually not worth the 100 fuel. That doesn't mean that it can't kill the crap out of infantry units.
It will be useful, then it won't have to hit infantry with threads to kill them. Otherwise, its not really fine or ok and it'll be even worse if it stays that way.
I notice that the T34/76 rarely hits infantry while moving, and while it's gun isn't great, it's when the tank is stationary that you will see the best anti-infantry results.
Which is true for every other tank as well, which happen to be vastly superior to T34/76 in that regard as well, low rof and high scatter in relation to other tanks make it worst AT and AI tank in game and the cost doesn't really portray the disparity accurately.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
22 May 2015, 15:57 PM
#92
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Lol people in this thread saying the t34 is good,obviously you dont play alot of soviets gotta rep the master race
22 May 2015, 17:23 PM
#93
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t34 has its moments if/when it gets vet 2-3, but before that it's pretty weak
Both soviet and wehr tier 3 sucks. I wouldn't mind seeing t4 and call in supertanks delayed 5 more minutes so that both factions' tier 3 has some kind of use
Both soviet and wehr tier 3 sucks. I wouldn't mind seeing t4 and call in supertanks delayed 5 more minutes so that both factions' tier 3 has some kind of use
22 May 2015, 18:11 PM
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The worstthing is pz 4 completely unable to penetrate is-2 rear armor....which is absurd.
You could very well use Panzer 4 J's from elite armored with HEAT rounds
23 May 2015, 11:37 AM
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Since when T34 is not good in 1v1 ? O_o
23 May 2015, 12:14 PM
#97
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The worstthing is pz 4 completely unable to penetrate is-2 rear armor....which is absurd.
Same thing could be said of the T-34/76 vs Tigers and King Tigers rear armor.
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23 May 2015, 12:21 PM
#98
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Since when T34 is not good in 1v1 ? O_o
Its not "bad" per se, same as the PIV, it clearly has a place in the game if you want to consolidate ie. on a strong early game, however, against an opponent that goes full meta ie. strong T1-T2 into Tigers it has a definite expiration date, even 3-4 T34/76s will usually outright fail to take down a properly supported Tiger...PIV has it arguably even worse against IS-2 btw. In other words, its better to transition into call-ins of your own eventually.
23 May 2015, 12:26 PM
#99
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Same thing could be said of the T-34/76 vs Tigers and King Tigers rear armor.
Well u can even say same thing about cons rifle versus King tiger rear armor if u want...
But, t34 is cheaper than pz4 and KT is alot more expensive than IS, so...
But still, i think that t34 is just little underperforming, but i would rather like to stay it as is than Relic try to "fix it" because they will overdue it like every single time when units need tweaking.
And to clarify why i want it to stay as is rather than direct tweaking of unit, is becuase i think unit itself is working good but problem is in call ins.
In hoc signo vinces!
23 May 2015, 12:28 PM
#100
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