Should OKW get a heavy artillery piece?

Jump back to quoted post31 May 2015, 19:17 PMCieZ

The only time OKW underwent an actual faction overhaul was during the WFA Alpha, after months of the community begging for it (rightly so) because their initial design was flat out stupid.

Everything you've mentioned and tried to claim as a "drastic faction change" or whatever your exact words have been simple balance adjustments and haven't even come close to changing the core design behind the faction.

Their tech tree is literally exactly the same as it was on release. Volks have schrecks, Kubel still suppresses, KT is still the strongest individual tank in the game. Obers are still the strongest individual infantry in the game. Pretty much all of their units still serve the exact same purpose as they always have. JLI are probably the most changed unit OKW has, but even then they serve the same role that they always did.

Not every faction needs access to everything, and not every faction needs to be strong at everything - if we want that, just design one perfect faction and play mirror matches all day everyday.

As much as I'm hesitant to agree with Katitof (because all you forum warriors are silly to me) he's definitely right in this case. You don't really have a leg to stand on aside from being stubborn and unwilling to admit that you're wrong.

or spending so much time on forums as opposed to playing the game. It's just my opinion though. If you guys have as much fun constantly posting stuff on the forums as I have playing the game - who am I to judge?

Alex trying to one up Ciez made my day, with zero evidence or grounds to attempt to do so.

Jump back to quoted post31 May 2015, 22:05 PMKatitof

Well, in my job I have a lot of spare time so I can in theory sit for 8 hours a day on forums(with breaks for work obviously) in less intense days.

PC at work is not good enough to play modern games, so I discuss them and watch streams instead. Play time at home is about 4 hours a day on average.

So there you have it why I post more then play.

Jump back to quoted post31 May 2015, 21:47 PMAlexzandvar

Wanting factions to have inherent weakness's that you can't counter at all is one of the dumbest things you could ever want because it creates "Rock, Paper, Scissor" game play. Yes certain factions should have a more carved out roll that they are better at but a faction having a weakness you can do almost nothing about just makes thing aggravating.

Jump back to quoted post31 May 2015, 22:43 PMAlexzandvar

Which is why some people have suggested giving OKW a Self Propelled Artillery piece that costs fuel similar to a Priest (Hummel or Wespe comes to mind!) so you couldn't camp with it and it would cost fuel so you couldn't spam it.

Something has got to go in the new OKW commanders

Jump back to quoted post31 May 2015, 22:47 PMKatitof

^You and CieZ argument.

Jump back to quoted post31 May 2015, 22:43 PMAlexzandvar

Which is why some people have suggested giving OKW a Self Propelled Artillery piece that costs fuel similar to a Priest (Hummel or Wespe comes to mind!) so you couldn't camp with it and it would cost fuel so you couldn't spam it.

Something has got to go in the new OKW commanders

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 01:19 AMCieZ

Should I break it down for you further? I feel like your latest post is completely irrelevant to the discussion we were having, and you're the only person I've ever seen asking for OKW to have a self propelled artillery unit, which I might add, they don't need at all.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 01:29 AMAlexzandvar

Why do you think OKW shouldn't get one? Units are not based on need, they are based on giving more options. Technically every faction could have very few units through the justification they don't need anymore.

A self propelled howitzer would fit your more mechanized view of OKW?

EDIT: I think we are going in circles because I think your assuming I think Allies shouldn't get any help either, both USF have new commanders coming and something needs to go in them.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 02:30 AMAlexzandvar

EDIT: I don't think we really disagree that much, and I apologize for arguing so much (I can be stubborn). But I'm just confused about what OKW could get next other than some sort of Artillery.

They have so much infantry already, and they aren't exactly lacking for AT like you point out. So what is there left?

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 03:40 AMCieZ

They could use a more reliable off-map to kill howitzers.

Perhaps a doctrinal light vehicle or tank.

Doctrinal sniper might be interesting. Some sort of Riegal type mine perhaps. Might be too strong on OKW though. An LMG or MP40/MP44 upgrade for Volks could be fun.

v2 rocket offmap might be badass? I dunno, I mean I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of OKW having a howitzer, I just don't think it's necessary. And I'd rather them rework the commander system anyways.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 03:40 AMCieZ

Perhaps a doctrinal light vehicle or tank.

Jump back to quoted post31 May 2015, 12:07 PMAlexzandvar

Here's a few:

1. New OKW commanders would need something

2. Would allow OKW to counter enemy artillery, which they are really weak to

3. Enable OKW to deny territory

4. Help get rid of OKW MP float

5. Encourage more combined arms

OKW is good at countering blobs since the go to counter to blobbing is just blobbing harder, which OKW is really good at.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 01:29 AMAlexzandvar

Why do you think OKW shouldn't get one? Units are not based on need, they are based on giving more options. Technically every faction could have very few units through the justification they don't need anymore.

A self propelled howitzer would fit your more mechanized view of OKW?

EDIT: I think we are going in circles because I think your assuming I think Allies shouldn't get any help either, both USF have new commanders coming and something needs to go in them.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 07:48 AMSqueaky Door 96

Enable OKW to deny teritory? What are you doing with your Flack HQ? That thing denies teritory to every infantry unit in the game that faces it, it can 1v1 a t34-76, t34-85, sherman, jakson and win.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jun 2015, 06:10 AMAlexzandvar

Except, that's your only thing that you can use to deploy to deny territory. And it doesn't do it in the same way an artillery piece does.

Outside of the Schwer OKW's defensive options are kinda limited due to the Flak Emplacement being utter trash (and expensive for what it does), and sandbags dying to easy. It's always more rewarding for OKW players to play very aggressive.