Does CoH1 have a future?

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 10:55 AMSmaug

i think there should be a thread about proposing global upgrades for coh2. This will make an already good game into a great one.

my suggestions.

global lmg upgrade for grens. 300mp 70 feul
global ppsh upgrade on cons . 250 mp 65 feul \
global bar upgrade for rifles 300mp 80 feul (2 bars per squad)
bazooka unlock 150mp 30feul
M10 with HVAP rounds (200mp 50 feul) (all m10s deploy with HVAP enabled gun (40muni to use))

global RAM upgrade. 500mp 150feul (allows all soviet medium tanks to RAM (does 480 damage))
global side skirts upgrade 350mp 100feul (p4 & panther tanks with sideskirts to improve armor).


you get the point.. making changes like these will force the player to make strategic choices of whether to get another unit or upgrade existing units to be better or even tech and get a higher tier unit.

This i think will make coh1 players happy with coh2 and make coh2 an even better game.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 11:13 AMCieZ

Go do the honors of making the thread

I don't necessarily agree with your pricing for these ideas/upgrades but adding stuff like that to coh2 could improve the game. We've seen Relic listen to the community a lot more recently. Maybe we can give them some great ideas/inspire them to make changes in this direction. Would be cool to see some community ideas as to what upgrades people want to see in coh2.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 11:05 AMCieZ

On the other hand you come in here spewing ignorant nonsense and then call coh2 shit without ever providing any reasons. If you think it's shit - great. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But then why come rage post here instead of doing something positive for the community? It amazes me that this is the sort of reaction im met with when I try to say that both games are good and it'd be cool if both could be simultaneously successful.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2015, 02:42 AMnekron

fuck off

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 01:06 AMCieZ

@Nekron - You do realize I'm trying to help/inspire/do something positive/whatever for the vcoh community? I really don't understand why I'm being directly attacked by you and GeneralCH for saying both games are good and that both could/should be successful titles. My intentions here are noble. Maybe something is getting lost in translation since we don't speak each other's native languages but I really don't think all the hostility is warranted.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 09:14 AMIpKaiFung

Off topic but you don't give methadone to a cocaine addict.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 13:26 PMGeneralCH

You are one of the most dishonest persons i have ever met. You are really rude, if it comes to defending your opinion. When you are proven wrong by logic, you just ignore it. The coh1 players, you are talking to here, have years of experience at this game compared to your 2.3 hours coh1 career. I guess you enjoy trolling and i won´t answer to it any longer.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 13:51 PMnekron

in steam i have hmmm 5000 hours and in relic dont know 3000 maybe.

ok in coh2 i have only 200 hours and with this what i saw there i can say the game isnt nice

and i watch many games from luvnest and all fanatic casts. im in teamspeak with many coh2 play good coh2 player and all rage about coh2.
i hear every time the same squad wipe here blob there anti tank planes kill all tanks and crahe into hq sector and kill all inf i see only demos as highlights from coh2
nearly ALL soviet teams play double sniper or 3 sniper and funny is u cant counter a sniper start like in coh1 with mg bike combo
op tank call in


i played with no lucky strike the last 2v2 at games we was proof new tactiks like okw play normal but wehr start with 4 pios ammo op and only flamer and then mortar ht
it workes good the oppoents lost all shox and inf
but then we get tank call in spamed and we had no counter for it or only a little bit was countered

when my mate not played this 4 flamer and the opponents play double shox and cap in houses it is nearly gg

so where is here tactik loose all to get cp and spam then tank call ins?????

but i tlked again to much about tactik to much with a guy they understand nothing from tactik maybe
or excist a ciez strat?

player like aimstrong was a strategist
or inverse watch his channel then u see a real strategist

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 14:03 PMwuff

This entire debate over which is game is better is pointless, it is subjective.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 14:31 PMBasilone

This isn't about which game is better, that's been established like 2 years ago. This is about implementing important mechanics from coh1 in to coh2, so that coh2 can be just as good and then there won't be a need to have these discussions.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 13:26 PMGeneralCH

You are one of the most dishonest persons i have ever met. You are really rude, if it comes to defending your opinion. When you are proven wrong by logic, you just ignore it. The coh1 players, you are talking to here, have years of experience at this game compared to your 2.3 hours coh1 career. I guess you enjoy trolling and i won´t answer to it any longer.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 14:31 PMBasilone

This isn't about which game is better, that's been established like 2 years ago. This is about implementing important mechanics from coh1 in to coh2, so that coh2 can be just as good and then there won't be a need to have these discussions.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 11:01 AMDonnieChan

If i wanted to win in coh1, there were those Standard Strats everyone did (4 Rifles m8, T2 Def FTFL Spam vet2Gren Spam etc.)

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 11:01 AMDonnieChan

But anyway won't be too long till people post i am noob, have no idea of the game and never been top player etc...

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 19:23 PMInverse

That's because you were a terrible CoH1 player, especially in 1v1s.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 19:23 PMInverse

That's because you were a terrible CoH1 player, especially in 1v1s. Your argument kinda falls apart when every single top player has their own definition of what constitutes standard play.

I started a new CoH2 account yesterday and almost got into the top 100 as Soviets in under 15 games, even though I haven't played CoH2 in months, have no idea what the meta is, and just conscript spammed. Oh, and I'm also "clueless" about CoH2, as some people love to say. In those games, the only important strategic decision I ever had to make was choosing which commander to pick; the games I lost were exclusively because I either lost too many units or chose the wrong commander, even against top 100 players who should have rolled me thanks to my lack of experience. The combination of low cost and low build time made the few available upgrades completely inconsequential. I didn't have to plan ahead, I didn't have to think about how they fit into my build. If I needed molotovs or AT grenades, I always had enough resources and I knew it would at most delay my tech by a minute, and I didn't have to plan ahead because they finished in a few seconds.

I almost got into the top 100 in a single day with zero strategic knowledge using standard commanders and a build from the beta, and that whole time the only important strategic decisions I made were commander selections. The rest was just micro and situational awareness. That shouldn't be possible in a strategy game.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 19:23 PMInverse

That's because you were a terrible CoH1 player, especially in 1v1s. Your argument kinda falls apart when every single top player has their own definition of what constitutes standard play.

I started a new CoH2 account yesterday and almost got into the top 100 as Soviets in under 15 games, even though I haven't played CoH2 in months, have no idea what the meta is, and just conscript spammed. Oh, and I'm also "clueless" about CoH2, as some people love to say. In those games, the only important strategic decision I ever had to make was choosing which commander to pick; the games I lost were exclusively because I either lost too many units or chose the wrong commander, even against top 100 players who should have rolled me thanks to my lack of experience. The combination of low cost and low build time made the few available upgrades completely inconsequential. I didn't have to plan ahead, I didn't have to think about how they fit into my build. If I needed molotovs or AT grenades, I always had enough resources and I knew it would at most delay my tech by a minute, and I didn't have to plan ahead because they finished in a few seconds.

I almost got into the top 100 in a single day with zero strategic knowledge using standard commanders and a build from the beta, and that whole time the only important strategic decisions I made were commander selections. The rest was just micro and situational awareness. That shouldn't be possible in a strategy game.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 11:05 AMCieZ

Oh jeez. You clearly have no understanding of what the word "tactical" means.

Everything you've mentioned are strategic choices, not tactical decisions. We've already established that vcoh had a deeper level of strategic decison making.