What I don't like in Soviets

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2015, 01:47 AMcomm_ash

us and sovs have strong early games and access to either fast medium armor or callins.

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Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2015, 01:47 AMcomm_ash

it just means that OKW now has many tough choices to make in the early-mid game, but have good compensation in the form of cheap, multiroll tiers, vet 5, and powerful late game units.
They feel a lot more like the back foot faction they are meant to be.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2015, 03:51 AMaaa

What is the strong sov early game if they often play with only 4 cons and 2 engies for like 15-20 minutes? Not even getting a single building for some reason.

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Seeing this and more of this kind I think its not strong sovs early gameplay, it looks more of strong soviet players like Jesulin and Paul. Capable of playing with 1 fighting unit type vs 4 unit types.

From the start (or with 1CM) OKW has acces to 4 fighting units units plus mg callin from more than one commander. They are quite scaleable into mid and even late game, exept kubel.

So it looks like for those soviet players cons and engies are enough to play. And for OKW players sturms, volks, kubel, raketen, and mg are not enough. And they need flak and possibly other tech.





From the side (dont have OKW) it looks like its a tough choice of fat cats. Why they are back foot fraction if they open with 5 unit types vs 2? 5 units including 2 anti tank units\abilities and strong anti infantry at all range.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2015, 04:37 AMcomm_ash

OKW feel a lot more like the back foot faction they are meant to be.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2015, 04:37 AMcomm_ash

Soviets have plenty of choices early game. Conscripts, combat engineers, maxims, mortar, sniper,penals. All of these are units that can be your first unit. Anyways, I don't see anyone complaining about OKW's lack of options, OKW has a standard opening in terms of unit selection.
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Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2015, 09:29 AMFaustCostBulletin

I don't think that T-34/85 should be a call-in unit, but rather come through regular progression with a tech cost similar to the Panther.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2015, 12:25 PMPorygon

Yeah, best solution is T-34/76 upgun, maybe unlock after T3 and T4 built.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2015, 09:29 AMFaustCostBulletin

I don't think that T-34/85 should be a call-in unit, but rather come through regular progression with a tech cost similar to the Panther.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2015, 08:51 AMHighfiveeeee

If I am real honest I would say that no other faction by far is as strong as soviets atm.
They squad wipe on a regular base with one or two shots, while their one units most like survive every battley because they have 6 men, Their call in tanks are strong as hell and even more with mark target that let's two T34/85 take down a panther in 3-4 shots.

What I REALLY dislike in soviets is that as a German player the only thing you do is react.
You can't start own offensives if you're not absolutely dominating the game. You always have to be defensive because one lost unit as OKW/Ost will break your neck, especially if this unit is a tank.

Soviets might say 'well, it's a lost tank, whatever' and build a new one but especially as OKW you don't have the ressources because if you're lucky you can hold about 50% of the map or less.

When playing vs USF I know they won't drive in the ultimate destroyers and I can stay in an even game even after 25 mins. Against soviets this is different. When the T34/85 arrive and he didn't play like a jackass the whole game, it's usually a win for the enemy.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2015, 09:54 AMMarcoRossolini

My chief complaint of the Soviets is that, barring about 2-3 things, everything in the stock faction is markedly inferior to its OH counterpart.
Granted, Doctrines make up for that more than enough, but the fact remains, why if I want to use iconic units like the T-34 or SU-76?

At this rate, why bother having a faction at all and just have a doctrine?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2015, 09:54 AMMarcoRossolini

My chief complaint of the Soviets is that, barring about 2-3 things, everything in the stock faction is markedly inferior to its OH counterpart.
Granted, Doctrines make up for that more than enough, but the fact remains, why if I want to use iconic units like the T-34 or SU-76?

At this rate, why bother having a faction at all and just have a doctrine?

Cons < Grens
Sov Sniper < Ost Sniper
Maxim < Mg42
ZiS < PaK
Su-76 < StuG
M3A1 < 222
T-34 < PzIV
KV-8 < Ostwind/Brummbarr

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2015, 08:51 AMHighfiveeeee

If I am real honest I would say that no other faction by far is as strong as soviets atm.
They squad wipe on a regular base with one or two shots, while their one units most like survive every battley because they have 6 men, Their call in tanks are strong as hell and even more with mark target that let's two T34/85 take down a panther in 3-4 shots.

What I REALLY dislike in soviets is that as a German player the only thing you do is react.
You can't start own offensives if you're not absolutely dominating the game. You always have to be defensive because one lost unit as OKW/Ost will break your neck, especially if this unit is a tank.

Soviets might say 'well, it's a lost tank, whatever' and build a new one but especially as OKW you don't have the ressources because if you're lucky you can hold about 50% of the map or less.

When playing vs USF I know they won't drive in the ultimate destroyers and I can stay in an even game even after 25 mins. Against soviets this is different. When the T34/85 arrive and he didn't play like a jackass the whole game, it's usually a win for the enemy.

Playing against soviets is absolutely no fun because they don't get punished as hard for bad gameplay like other factions. I prefer playing against USF because I know the better player will win this game. The soviets can always turn the table with their call ins. You don't see much other tanks than T34/85 or IS-2 these days because they are so good. A T34/76 or a SU-85 is simply a waste of ressources and this has to change.