Current Ostheer in effect.
Not too weak, not too strong, now pays for mistakes.
Great, so let's make soviet pay for mistakes too.
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Current Ostheer in effect.
Not too weak, not too strong, now pays for mistakes.
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But if he or she goes for 5 riflemen squads, 2 grens and 2mgs won't cut it, you will be hard pressed since rifles fight well at long, medium and close range.. How do you tech up? Do you rush for t2 and get a pak or do you rush for t3 and pz4 or stug?
And what if it doesn't hit the teller, you are pretty much screwed then..
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Thats why I've said you need 5 to 6 T1 units.
You don't need to rush for anything, in fact rushing T2 against USF I consider as a bad idea, you need to establish some map control first, otherwise you'll be pushed back and he'll just rush light armor.
I tech after 5th or depending on pressure 6th unit, then depending on what he does, 251 for map presence or 222 to fight off M20, only then I find the need for PaK. You can stall to T4 if you have CAS doctrine, if not the choice betweem P4 and Tiger isn't really as obvious as it was before against USF due to new jackson being better vs tigers and worse vs P4s.
So don't rush anything, keep focus to not lose anything(mainly MGs, better to retreat too early and give up sector then too late and give up MG), there is no IS-2 coming, so there is nothing forcing you to rush, dual PaKs and faust will fend off any sherman after 10 min.
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I agree with you apart from the fact that Ostheer early game is comparable with USF. In no way, shape or form can you perform anything like the USF early with the Ostheer. Riflemen blobs are still the doom of all Ostheers early game. Unless you get a nice map in which mgs can block certain approach paths very good. USF dominates early game.
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Permanently BannedI'm playing ost much more recently then USF and from my experience, 3 grens 2 MGs and whatever 6th T1
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6th?
u can build 6 if u want to bleed...
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Or not be base locked by rifles. It doesn't have to be gren you know, its not like USF have easy counter for mortar or sniper.
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m20 says hello
What is ur build order?
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If he have 5 rifles, he is not going for M20.
You have my BO in previous posts.
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5 rifles is too much...
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Just make a new tournament,the reality will be well exposed.
Till then dedicated ost players,stay off the game like me or play a-move is-2iwin soviets.
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Permanently BannedWehrmacht received early game buff in terms of Sniper and Scout car, both require more micro. Like Lemon said, It is not the faction that is at fault, but the player like this kid Austerlitz ^.
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You don't really know how statistics work, or why 20-40 random players are no indicator of anything, do you?
You want reality?
Ask relic to give more data to Legends so he can compile another set of W/L graphs for factions.
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Just make a new tournament,the reality will be well exposed.
Till then dedicated ost players,stay off the game like me or play a-move is-2iwin soviets.
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It may be the player.. but Ost vs usf is still tough
i have less issues vs sov cus lmg grens will beat all sov inf if micro'ed well
and double paks make short work of slow is2's
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