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Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 16:00 PMAlexzandvar

What would be the point of getting Volks if they didn't have an AI upgrade? Since they are extremely crap at fighting enemy infantry and elite infantry?

If your going to take the shrek away you need to give the Volk squad something in return. And you know that received accuracy stuff everyone hated on Volks? Sturms still have that.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 02:09 AMAladdin

volks are the weakest basic infantry of all faction. As OKW, you need to use other infantry units such as obers, pfs, falls, JLI, or even sp. as AI units to play more competitively and effectively. while the advantage of keeping volks within your army is to give them shreck (cause they lose vs other faction infs 1v1)

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 17:43 PMG4bb4_G4nd4lf

I don't think an AI upgrade is necessary. They'd be like better scaling Conscripts.

They'd need support to fight elite infantry just like every other basic inf squad. The difference is that OKW has non-doctrinal elite inf unlike Allies.

Received accuracy was a problem on Volks, yes. I don't think that it would be a problem on Sturms. They're more vulnerable to explosives and you had to retreat them once they have 2 men left - otherwise they might drop their shrecks.

It's better to give shreks to a squad that you actually have to micro because it's more expensive and easier to lose if just yolorushed into tanks.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 18:01 PMAlexzandvar

Why would you get Volks then ever instead of just making other things? Grens are desired for the LMG upgrade, if you couldn't make LMG's on them then people would just find another infantry unit to make.

I would be more than fine with Sturms getting the shrek if you gave Volks a decent AI upgrade like some G43's or StG 44's.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 18:16 PMG4bb4_G4nd4lf

Really? So if Grens didn't have LMGs...you'd do....pio spam?

I don't think so.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 18:16 PMG4bb4_G4nd4lf

Really? So if Grens didn't have LMGs...you'd do....pio spam?

I don't think so.

What other things apart from Volks could people make? Kubels don't capture you territory, Sturms are too expensive.

I also doubt that everybody would go for call-in inf every game - too expensive.

Fact is: You need relatively cheap basic inf like Grens/Volks/Cons/Rifles whether they can be upgraded or not.

That's why people make Cons. They can't be upgraded by anything without commander but they gain you map control. You need Volks for the same reason - map conrol. They aren't even that bad - they are balanced vs Conscripts, they lose vs Riflemen but so do Grens.


StGs and G43s are not possible anyway because Volks don't have the animation for these weapons.

If they had to get an upgrade I'd just increase their kar98 damage per upgrade (e.g. from 10 to 13).

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 18:20 PMAlexzandvar

Volks have animations for firing rifles, so they can use the G43. I don't know about the StG 44 but it would make sense of them to keep some sort of upgrade to stay relevant.

And yes you could go for call in infantry, Panzerfuss spam would become even more common since they already have a snare (if kind of a shit one), an extra man, and a AI upgrade as well!

I still fail to see your point about why Volks shouldn't get an AI upgrade when every basic infantry in game is capable of getting one.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 18:44 PMG4bb4_G4nd4lf

Yeah, that was my fault. They can use G43s.

Of course you can go for call-in inf but 1) doing so every game would be boring and 2)as I mentioned earlier, that would be a huge manpower drain.

My point is that Volks don't need to have an AI upgrade. I wouldn't mind if they get one but it's not absolutely necessary. They do a good job vs enemy inf - especially early game with Kubel support.

Volks could get an AI upgrade unlocked when T1 and T2 are converted so that people don't have to rely on Obers every game to deal with infantry.

As I said, they're balanced vs Cons, meaning that they can win/or lose depending on the situation. Once they start vetting up (whch they still can rather quickly - Pzfaust hits give them nice EXP boosts) they surpass Cons.

Every squad except Cons you mean (at least without the right doctrine).

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 18:56 PMAlexzandvar

Cons still at least get one with a doctrine as you pointed out, I still don't see why Volks getting a small AI upgrade like say just 2 regular StG 44's for a tiny bit more close range fire power would be out of place once you have converted your first HQ for 90 munitions so you either chose between Shreks for Sturms or StG's for volks.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 21:17 PMG4bb4_G4nd4lf

I didn't say it was "out of place", I just don't think it is necessary.

2 StGs for 90MU...yeah, as if anyone would buy that.

I'd prefer a simple damage buff for their Kar98s.

60-70 ammo for a damage buff to 14 would be OK I think. This upgrade can be purchased when T1 and T2 has been built. If you go for T1/T2 --> T4 you can get Obers. An AI upgrade for Volks isn't needed then IMO.

Right now, Volks Kars deal 8 damage per hit = 10 hits to kill a model. 14 damage = 6 hits to kill one model.

For comparison: Cons rifles deal 16 damage per hit = 5 hits to kill one model. Same goes for Grens. M1 Garands deal 8 damage per hit.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 21:23 PMVuther

Actually, Volks do 10 damage per hit.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 18:44 PMG4bb4_G4nd4lf

Yeah, that was my fault. They can use G43s.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 21:17 PMG4bb4_G4nd4lf

I didn't say it was "out of place", I just don't think it is necessary.

2 StGs for 90MU...yeah, as if anyone would buy that.

I'd prefer a simple damage buff for their Kar98s.

60-70 ammo for a damage buff to 14 would be OK I think. This upgrade can be purchased when T1 and T2 has been built. If you go for T1/T2 --> T4 you can get Obers. An AI upgrade for Volks isn't needed then IMO.

Right now, Volks Kars deal 8 10 damage per hit = 10 8 hits to kill a model. 14 damage = 6 hits to kill one model.

For comparison: Cons rifles deal 16 damage per hit = 5 hits to kill one model. Same goes for Grens. M1 Garands deal 8 damage per hit.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 21:31 PMFaustCostBulletin

Ahem. I should point out that this is simply not true. The only weapon Volksgrenadiers can use are the slot weapons, Kar98k, and Panzerfaust.

There are files that dictate what weapon a unit can use, which currently cannot be edited in the current mod tools. Weapon classification does not mean anything. MP44 and BAR use the same animations, surely you haven't found the latter to be unusuable by Volksgrenadiers?

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 21:31 PMFaustCostBulletin

Ahem. I should point out that this is simply not true. The only weapon Volksgrenadiers can use are the slot weapons, Kar98k, and Panzerfaust.

There are files that dictate what weapon a unit can use, which currently cannot be edited in the current mod tools. Weapon classification does not mean anything. MP44 and BAR use the same animations, surely you haven't found the latter to be unusuable by Volksgrenadiers?

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 21:41 PMVuther

Wehrmacht G43s can be dropped though, right?