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This isnt right. USF wins early but falls of late. You either decide the game before he gets his Ace. If you think the Ace should be adjusted, so should USF early.
though.
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In 1v1: Usually players who use Tiger Ace charge in with PIVs and Tiger Ace as soon as it hits the field. They want to end the game due to heavy MP and Fuel penalty. If you manage to repel this decisive offensive you should be able to win by ease: Either your opponent lost his Ace or MP and fuel drain will induce his defeat on the long run. If not, you haven't prepared well enough. 15 CPs is more than enough time to prepare to be honest.
As far as I have experienced Tiger Ace isn't a problem for Soviets at all since Mark Target denies any heavy tank. Can't say much about USF because I haven't played them often enough. I think without choosing Air Force Company you will have a hard time though.
In 2v2+: No problem at all. You can prepare even more efficiently with team play.
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Normal Tiger: 1040 HP
Tiger Ace: 1280 HP
Also, as far as i know, it's a "vet 3 tiger" with increased vision and same DPS on MG as a Tiger with gunner on top.
Besides all that, the main problem is the "triple tap" or the IWinButton. Target weakpoint doesn't share cooldown with the main gun, this leads to 3 consecutive shots in a small intervale of time.
How you obtain the tank, is just badly design also. The income penalty doesn't start to hit till 10mins (for the cost of not spending fuel), so this tanks should be used to trade agressively or finish the game.
Note: this is not about the overall strenght of the commander rather than the badly designed TA.
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TWP also still works with a critted TA turret... What a nice surprise that one game of mine was...
And this have been for way a long time, but as i've said previously, i think there are other more important issues to fix first (this doesnt invalidate the concern of this thread). 
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The Tiger Ace itself is a great tank but not a god and falls just as hard as the rest of the call ins. Furthermore, this commander requires skill to use for the Tiger itself is always late to the fight at 15cp. If you have allowed your opponent to gain 15cps faster than your P47s or IS2's then imho you have to iron out your strat because an IS2/P47s combined with (mines) ATguns/Jacksons/SU85s is a instant death sentence to a tank that has less front armor than the KT. This thread seems like someone is a bit butt hurt over a match. 
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If you can not beat the Tiger Ace then it is your own fault
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If the game is still going on at 15cp, the game is usually decided by then anyways. This commander falls short in the early, mid game and and that's why its not a meta commander like lightning war, CAS, or mechanized assault.
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Seems like to you I should start cheating and playing 2v1s
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Plenty of time to prepare by dumping manpower into AT guns while a standard Ostheer force with vetted grens slaughters your infantry?
Pretty easy to prepare I see.....
See this is one of those trade offs I'm suggesting that exist in the game for almost every unit in the game other than the Tiger Ace
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It has been mentioned elsewhere but the easiest fix for the TA would be to make it cost as much as a regular Tiger but in compensation remove the resource penalty. That way the advantage of the ability would be that you get a vet3 Tiger on steroids for the price of a regular Tiger while the disadvantage would be you only get one so you better damn well keep it alive.
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If you can not beat the Tiger Ace then it is your own fault
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Come on and be real for a moment. The ostheer faction does great on its own.
But it still has draw backs. This is not the case with the tiger ace.
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Um flawless? You know you still have other useful Commander abilities and a great functioning non doc army. There are plenty of commanders you can win with using the non doc stuff. I don't see why you think playing Ostheer till 15 cp is some amazing feat and no other faction has to.
Come on and be real for a moment. The ostheer faction does great on its own. But it still has draw backs. This is not the case with the tiger ace.
Please enlighten me after you read my well supported claims how there are drawn backs to the tiger ace that justfies it.
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I'd say exactly what elchino7's said. The bonus health is weird and should go, the shoot-TWP-shoot combo is dumb, and the lack of a fuel cost is bad design. The unit aside from that is fine, and I'd be totally happy with reducing/removing the income reduction and/or reducing the manpower cost in return for fixing those things - those things are bad design rather than balance issues.
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