Afraid to start ranked cant beat expert bot

as the topic says guys i am desperate. I wanna play ranked but i dont want to get my b.tt handed to me so i thought if i can beat expert bot i might have a chance. But cannot win aganist expert ai dont even know how to deal with normal peoples strat (like maxim spam or ptrs and all that stuff i dont even know) what shall i do?

Edit: uploaded sovietai s epic comeback http://www.coh2.org/replay/33043/shameoffatherland

Try mulitplayer, AI is cheating

what do you mean with cheating ? does it really gets extra resources or you are just having a sense of humour i cant get ? :/

The AI is scripted, and does "cheat" in a matter of speaking - it can and will field more units than a human could afford.

AI also doesnt have a fog of war...the AI is a horrible cheater in so many ways...and even the HARD AI is better than most players.

Then why is ai so op ? how can i practice? :/

AI also doesnt have a fog of war...the AI is a horrible cheater in so many ways...and even the HARD AI is better than most players.

You really think so? I don't know how many players we have but playing some 4v4s for laughs I found out that AI replacing a player is bad for the team unless you are ranked worse than 10000. And that is pretty damn low.

To Op:

AI is kindof stupid and sometimes even bugged (like famous mg opening in opposite direction) so it is very easy to beat. That's a problem for most players as they have no 'taining bag' to train new strats on. So if you are on AI level you are actually really lucky as you can train without loosing your rank. And on that level playing some more, learning grid keys, forgetting about the pause button and watching some streams is more than enough.

You really think so? I don't know how many players we have but playing some 4v4s for laughs I found out that AI replacing a player is bad for the team unless you are ranked worse than 10000. And that is pretty damn low.

wow so im really bad :/

Playing AI is not 'cheating' - that is an unfortunate term, Leodot

@OP playing Expert AI is not necessarily going to help you. it is quite arguable that expert AI may be better than some lower skilled players you meet in game.

If you are planning on playing 1v1, I suggest you try out some games in that mode against humans, in automatch. Make sure you save your games at the end. This will assist you bcs:

1) you can replay your game from your opponent's point of view, and try to see where you went wrong, if you lost ; and
2) you can hoist the replay here, and ask for a review. There will many who will happy to help, including our Strategy Specialists

Read the tips in the tutorials; watch the streams on Twitch of good players- many give reasons for their actions; and remember the basicsquad preservation = retreat where necessary; finding yellow/green cover; micro tricks

http://www.coh2.org/guides/category/1/beginner-guides

gl hf

You really think so? I don't know how many players we have but playing some 4v4s for laughs I found out that AI replacing a player is bad for the team unless you are ranked worse than 10000. And that is pretty damn low.

AI in automatch games are not the same as Hard or Expert, which get resource buffs and maphackery.

AI in automatch games are not the same as Hard or Expert, which get resource buffs and maphackery.

From what I know hard is not cheating and hard is the one that is used by multiplayer. But it can of course be wrong.

The truth is still that any decent player can beat expert even using most UP units and strats. That is why it is not fulfiling its job as strat tester (which is from multiplayer perspective the only job for AI) and it should be gratly improved. Coding some patterns for it like in vcoh could be enough but the best bet would be to use some kind of teacher programm that would accumulate data from compstomps on relics server. I know it's hard to do in rts game but it's doable.

If you're a bit nervous about laddering (don't worry, most people are) just start in more casual game modes like 3v3 or 4v4. It'll help ease the burden of playing against other players because you'll have a team to work with. How skilled that team will be... well who knows. 4v4 is probably more about how lucky you get with a decent team and not playing against a pre-made team than individual player skill.

You could do automatch vs AI as well, you add the human component into your playing since you'll be playing with a friend against the AI.

Other than that, just go for it. Don't be afraid of losing. Losing isn't as fun as winning of course, but it is your chance to learn and grow as a player. Post replays asking nicely for help and I'm sure plenty of people here at coh2.org can offer you some advice. We won't bite unless you act like a fool. So far you seem like a good guy, I'd be willing to help ya.

The AI does cheat really badly,and alot of ways the AI in some ways is better than lower level/entry level players..especially expert.

The fog of war does not exist for AI at all,Units like the Panther will always fire at max range and then reverse away,vehicles will always find away to engage in a way that your Anti tank guns are never facing the right way,on the flipside you can never catch their anti tank guns off guard,their mortars and artillery will barrage stuff they have no way of seeing with perfect accuracy,try throwing a grenade at Expert AI infantry,etc.

the AI will ALWAYS pick the perfect counter to your commander(If you go ISU theyll always have an Elefant) and unit composition(Spam shock troops and AI will poop out an ostwind even if you had both fuel points, somehow),ETC

I read on some other Coh forum,that at higher difficulty the AI Infantry actually has a damage/accuracyboost and your infantry have decreased damage and increased received accuracy,but cannot confirm that for sure. It might just be the fact that the AI always knows where you are and what you're doing or trying to do. Spam AT Guns? here comes a perfect accuracy panzerwerfer barrage,ETC.

Hey mate I suggest you just get in there and play some automatch games!! Save your replays and analyse them. You might get your butt kicked the first few games but youll get into it and learn from your mistakes and else! Just keep going bro!

If you can beat hard bot you are probably good enough to start auto-match

Expect to lose a lot until you get better, this is normal

Especially as for the first 10 matches in each mode and faction you get ranked randomly

Wow,i am like a child seen Santa at the moment! I didn't expect this much help!Thank you very much everyone. I heard this games community was good but i didn't expect it to be this good!Everyone who cared and spared some of his/her(not sure but may be girls are playing?) valuable time to post here and really try to help not to troll you have my eternal gratitude. I will try to take your advices and see how they work you can count on that.

The AI does cheat really badly,and alot of ways the AI in some ways is better than lower level/entry level players..especially expert.

The fog of war does not exist for AI at all,Units like the Panther will always fire at max range and then reverse away,vehicles will always find away to engage in a way that your Anti tank guns are never facing the right way,on the flipside you can never catch their anti tank guns off guard,their mortars and artillery will barrage stuff they have no way of seeing with perfect accuracy,try throwing a grenade at Expert AI infantry,etc.

the AI will ALWAYS pick the perfect counter to your commander(If you go ISU theyll always have an Elefant) and unit composition(Spam shock troops and AI will poop out an ostwind even if you had both fuel points, somehow),ETC

I read on some other Coh forum,that at higher difficulty the AI Infantry actually has a damage/accuracyboost and your infantry have decreased damage and increased received accuracy,but cannot confirm that for sure. It might just be the fact that the AI always knows where you are and what you're doing or trying to do. Spam AT Guns? here comes a perfect accuracy panzerwerfer barrage,ETC.

the AI is not that sophisticated. It has a set of loadouts and bulletins which it will randomly choose at the start of the game. and as far as I know the Ai will also follow a set build order, unless the perfect counter to tanks and atguns are scout cars 20 mins in the game

I haven't noticed the AI to have a set build order, it does however tech linearly and doesn't necessarily build the best units it has available.


So it will progress T1, T2, T3, T4 - even with Sovs, and it will build M3s and Scout Cars when it could have tanks

It also never uses off map strikes so far as I can see.


It is however, a total bitch about harassing and flank capping and a complete pain with anything that spans behind the lines.


Which is why there is a limit to what playing with the AI can teach you, real players skip tiers, tech faster and pump out the best units they can.

The first thing you may find when playing real players is that your expectation of what units to expect when will be completely wrong.

the AI is not that sophisticated. It has a set of loadouts and bulletins which it will randomly choose at the start of the game. and as far as I know the Ai will also follow a set build order, unless the perfect counter to tanks and atguns are scout cars 20 mins in the game

Maybe Hard AI you get when humans drop,will they build scout cars 20 mins in,

Ostheer expert AI will have 12-14 min panthers constantly,and almost always counterbuilds a hard counter to what I build unless I vary my army moreso than I would in a normal automatch vs players game.

The only time I have it easy with expert AI is when i purposefully counter their cheat builds (Playing as sovs and being forced to get T2+T4 and getting su85 when they do this 11 min spot-for-itself panther cheat )

@VV they fixed the AI a patch or so ago to where they now use airstrikes and artillery abilities,in this cheating manner as well because they will have no way of seeing your units and will call appropriate offmaps on stupidly deep into the "fog of war."

Moral of the story OP the computer plays nothing like a player will,so just get your feet wet,chances are youll be pretty successful at least initially since you've been throwing your balls against the wall with the cheating Expert AI.

If you aren't successful then thats what this section of the forum is for,just post the replay and we'll help you out.

as the topic says guys i am desperate. I wanna play ranked but i dont want to get my b.tt handed to me so i thought if i can beat expert bot i might have a chance. But cannot win aganist expert ai dont even know how to deal with normal peoples strat (like maxim spam or ptrs and all that stuff i dont even know) what shall i do?

Edit: uploaded sovietai s epic comeback http://www.coh2.org/replay/33043/shameoffatherland

Dont be afraid. Just play a few games. You wi be ranked after 10 and should get opponents in your level.
This is just a video game, nothing happens when you loose. I for example quit all 1v1s vs okw recently because I dont like the faction.

The AI cheats and doesnt reflect the real meta. You could start by just spamming conscrips with ptrs. Easy to do and works.