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Yeah, its called Jackson.
JPZIV is a bit different, although it has good armor (230 meaning around 70% penetration at max range) and it also has a small target size, so if the shot hits, it most probably will penetrate
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Good thing the Jackson is a Tank Destroyer, not a Tank Hunter.
The issue with the JPIV is that is ha extremely poor acceleration and turning, along with no gun traverse means getting it to a place and getting it to actually hit tanks is somewhat of a challenge.
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that goes without saying yes the Jackson is a Tank Destroyer and the Panther is a tank so there is and should be a disparity on that.
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Panthers frontal armor is too damn thick. Bouncing off 50% of shots.Why shouldn´t it? Historically its frontal armor was almost impervious.
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The Panther is made to hunt and slug it out with tanks 1 on 1, the Jackson is meant to support your other tanks and infantry.
Panther's roll =/= Jacksons roll.
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Panther have a very shitty DPS , and someone here tell me it is Ober of panzer, what would you expect and what I would expect instead of claiming this thread as bullshit and watch the show?
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If a tank hunter couldn't bounce the shots of enemy tanks it would be a rather shit tank hunter don't yah think?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Except tank destroyers aren't exactly destroying it at all as well.
I suppose we should buff SU-85 and jackson penetration so they have over 50% of penetrating front armor of stock tank?
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Thats.......exactly what I said.......... both hunt tanks the manner at which they do it is different but they both hunt tanks
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The SU-85 and Jackson already have more than a 50% chance to pen the frontal armor of a Panther.
I showed you the SU-85 earlier, here's the Jackson:
200.0/180.0/160.0 = 62.5% chance/56.2% chance/50% chance
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Why are you saying the ranges below 60?
If they get within 50 range of the panther they are scrap metal.
So few words, so much bullshit, you always deliver, got to admit you that.
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Uhhh If you are charging your TD's into enemy positions when they have AT the problem is with you, not the tank destroyers.
Even at MAX range they still have 50% or above to penetrate, I proved you wrong. And it still takes the Panther 3 shots to kill a Jackson, 3 shots that won't come very fast from the Panthers main gun.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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You for real?
I've said TDs have 50% chance to pen at max range.
You've said TDs have 50% chance to pen at max range.
You proved me wrong how exactly?
If anything, you reinforced my argument of TDs being ineffective.
And that 3 shots will take approx 12 seconds*
*inb4 stupid argument-panther doesn't reload when it sees the target, it shoots, then reloads next round.
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Why shouldn´t it? Historically its frontal armor was almost impervious.
It needs the frontal armor. If it goes back to the stage it was pre-patch, nobody is going to build it again. Smart Panther usage should be rewarded. And currently it is like this. No need to change it.
German players who keep their Panther at range, facing the frontal armor to the enemy should win.
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I'd say to just to stick with removing Blitzkrieg from it first. Probably 99% of any problems with it lie there, because it NASCARing into your lines' vulnerable areas (or just reversing out) is eminently ridiculous. The rest of it might not be so intolerable without that.
I'd imagine anyone who wants that is figuring that for the same reasons the Panther in-game allohistorically has no side armour and has six more gears in reverse.
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Relic has stated Side Armor and Different reverse accelerations are not actually possible.
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And changing frontal armour, if necessary, is. Etc, etc.
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If you nerfed the frontal armor of the Panther then you would have to nerf the frontal armor of the Tiger.
See how these issues start to compound? The Panther just needs to not have warp speed thanks to blitz, that's all.
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Relic has stated Side Armor and Different reverse accelerations are not actually possible.
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
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