u continue to mislead
lemme refresh wat YOU said
Yes, most Pwerfs operate at exact range or lower than that of mortars because of the fact the Pwerf is only effective at very close range.
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24 Mar 2015, 19:07 PM
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Yes, most Pwerfs operate at exact range or lower than that of mortars because of the fact the Pwerf is only effective at very close range.
24 Mar 2015, 19:49 PM
#82
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Yes, most Pwerfs operate at exact range or lower than that of mortars because of the fact the Pwerf is only effective at very close range.
Exactly; get close and it does wonders ^^
24 Mar 2015, 20:03 PM
#83
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Exactly; get close and it does wonders ^^
But don't you feel it's a tad silly that a artillery HT that fires rockets has to be used at point blank range?
It should either fire more rockets like it originally did so it can be used out farther, or just get better scatter so it's less inaccurate.
24 Mar 2015, 20:11 PM
#84
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I would also much rather have a mortar than a panzerwerfer. If by some miracle you can tech to t4 as Ostheer then I hope you have the common sense to get one of the other units to actually try to win the game.
24 Mar 2015, 20:13 PM
#85
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The problem is Mortar track > Pwerfer
And Kat > Pwerfer. Pwerfer being the most expensive is the worst out of those 3.
And Kat > Pwerfer. Pwerfer being the most expensive is the worst out of those 3.
24 Mar 2015, 20:13 PM
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I think panzerwerfer is fine. It does decrew soviet AT gun in one volley. Therefore fullfilling its role.
24 Mar 2015, 22:02 PM
#87
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I think panzerwerfer is fine. It does decrew soviet AT gun in one volley. Therefore fullfilling its role.
at what range? if its even medium of its range it has a low chance of de-crewing in 1 volley.
The thing should not have to be closer-than-mortar range to work correctly.
24 Mar 2015, 22:18 PM
#88
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Panzerwerfer does fire all of its rockets in ONE volley and this makes it all the difference and justifies its cost. If you know how to micro Kats and Panzerwefers, the player can do serious damage to support weapons, and lets not forget Ambulance placements. Kat rightfully so is more effective BUT the the volly of rockets can be dodged after the first shot pretty easily. Panzerwerfer leaves no room to dodge.
Off course no Kat Panzerwefer going to suck at range, scatter is terrible on both.
Off course no Kat Panzerwefer going to suck at range, scatter is terrible on both.
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24 Mar 2015, 22:32 PM
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Panzerwerfer does fire all of its rockets in ONE volley and this makes it all the difference and justifies its cost. If you know how to micro Kats and Panzerwefers, the player can do serious damage to support weapons, and lets not forget Ambulance placements. Kat rightfully so is more effective BUT the the volly of rockets can be dodged after the first shot pretty easily. Panzerwerfer leaves no room to dodge.
Off course no Kat Panzerwefer going to suck at range, scatter is terrible on both.
Kat at max range has a far higher chance to hit something than the werfer does. Still of course the chance is not high, but a rocket artillery HT shouldn't have to be used at point blank range, it just means you could do the same with getting more mortars.
24 Mar 2015, 22:44 PM
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Kat at max range has a far higher chance to hit something than the werfer does.
No, it doesn't.
Lack of alpha strike over area and barrage extended duration make it perfectly possible for AT gun or whatever is in the area to simply retreat often without casualties.
Bigger scatter values also doesn't make it easier in the slightest.
Also, as it was said already 328918 times in this thread, katy is supposed to shoot from afar and pwerfer from closer proximity.
Asymmetrical balance you know. Same cost, similar role, different execution.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
24 Mar 2015, 22:48 PM
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No, it doesn't.
Lack of alpha strike over area and barrage extended duration make it perfectly possible for AT gun or whatever is in the area to simply retreat often without casualties.
Bigger scatter values also doesn't make it easier in the slightest.
Also, as it was said already 328918 times in this thread, katy is supposed to shoot from afar and pwerfer from closer proximity.
Asymmetrical balance you know. Same cost, similar role, different execution.
Except the Pwerfer used to be used at exactly the same range the Katyusha was until it had it's rocket amount lowered and it's ability to hit at range decreased.
This isn't asymmertrical balance; it's idiocy. Why should a 85 fuel + teching cost HT that dies in 1 hit have to be used in closer ranges than mortars are used to be effective at all?
And the AT gun or infantry blob can simply move as well, since the area you will be hitting will be rather small. The Kat is able to bombard a larger area and do more damage over a larger area allowing it to deny territory and break up defensive formations. You can't move your AT gun back into line until it stops firing.
With the Pwerf once you dodge it that's it, it doesn't break up any defensive lines because once you dodge it that's it, you can move right back to where you were.
24 Mar 2015, 22:57 PM
#92
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Lets not forget the hang time for the pwerfer and kat truck, Pwerfer has almost 2x the hang time before the first rocket hits. By the time the first werfer rocket hits kat is almost at wave 2.
24 Mar 2015, 23:26 PM
#93
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PW is not as bad as people say it is, imo atleast.
It's a great indirect for late game after losing your mortars etc..
It clears blobs extremely well and the arc of fire allows you to fire from behind a shotblocker of any height so those two facts make it worth getting.
It's a great indirect for late game after losing your mortars etc..
It clears blobs extremely well and the arc of fire allows you to fire from behind a shotblocker of any height so those two facts make it worth getting.
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25 Mar 2015, 00:18 AM
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Except the Pwerfer used to be used at exactly the same range the Katyusha was until it had it's rocket amount lowered and it's ability to hit at range decreased.
This isn't asymmertrical balance; it's idiocy. Why should a 85 fuel + teching cost HT that dies in 1 hit have to be used in closer ranges than mortars are used to be effective at all?
And the AT gun or infantry blob can simply move as well, since the area you will be hitting will be rather small. The Kat is able to bombard a larger area and do more damage over a larger area allowing it to deny territory and break up defensive formations. You can't move your AT gun back into line until it stops firing.
With the Pwerf once you dodge it that's it, it doesn't break up any defensive lines because once you dodge it that's it, you can move right back to where you were.
why should katy die from small arms fire?
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25 Mar 2015, 00:23 AM
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And why should katy and wefer have less hp than kubel in this way, 160 against 190.
25 Mar 2015, 00:30 AM
#96
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Its cooldown is far too long for its pish effect.
25 Mar 2015, 00:35 AM
#97
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why should katy die from small arms fire?
Neater should. Stuka Zu Fuss is stupidly durable comparatively to the Pwerfer and the Truck.
25 Mar 2015, 00:45 AM
#98
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All mobile artyes should have around 240hp.
25 Mar 2015, 06:18 AM
#99
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It has high mobility and an Mg for a reason. Its not meant to sit at max range.
25 Mar 2015, 06:38 AM
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So almost all of you guys think that panzerwerfer is ok?
Damn' no wonder this game is in such estate. Lel.
Damn' no wonder this game is in such estate. Lel.
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A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
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