Sturm pioneers are overpriced

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 15:53 PMAlexzandvar

The ISG isn't able to damage buildings very much, and it's only effective when used as a direct fire unit when the enemy is in direct LOS, making it very ineffective as a indirect fire unit.

Sturms are good against some houses depending on the window placement as well as who loses more models first, a full 4 model Sturmsquad can normally pull it off if it's lucky, but many times you will just lose a model and then lose the DPS race.



There are tons of maps were buildings are unavoidable, and the Flak HT damages houses far, far faster than a Puma will, telling a person to get a Puma to counter buildings is insane.



Shreks barely damage houses at all, as do all forms of infantry based AT thanks to the garrison revamp after WFA.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 16:37 PMAustralian Magic

Again, pure bullshit about game mechanic.

GrW43 is able to kill Rifle squad in wooden building in 1:14 (building collapses - not killing squad inside - 2 models died with collapse).

ISG can do same thing in 1:28. 2 Models left which died with collapse.

RNG involved cause depends where shells will land but still, bullshit decetor is needed

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 16:42 PMAlexzandvar

lol 1 minute 28 seconds to kill a building, his riflemen are just going to sit there and he's not going to push your ISG. And wooden buildings don't comprise all the buildings in the game either.

Why are you throwing the bullshit flag when the ISG is easily the worst OKW unit, it can't do what it's supposed to: function as a indirect fire unit.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 16:42 PMAlexzandvar

lol 1 minute 28 seconds to kill a building, his riflemen are just going to sit there and he's not going to push your ISG. And wooden buildings don't comprise all the buildings in the game either.

Why are you throwing the bullshit flag when the ISG is easily the worst OKW unit, it can't do what it's supposed to: function as a indirect fire unit.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 16:54 PMAustralian Magic

You said ISG is not able to damage buildings but it is - so it's quite simple - bullshit.
I takes 15secs longer than GrW34 but still.


And it can.
In a replay you posted some time ago, 2 ISGs were able to deal more damage than 2 GrW34s through entire game.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 17:02 PMAlexzandvar

Damage buildings well, especially the stone buildings.

2 ISG's did more damage because they were doing direct fire, and we killed the Ostheer mortars at the first half of the game while the ISG's stuck around.

The biggest problem is that versus large hardy buildings the ISG is expensive, and it's vet only improves the barrage which is bleh.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 15:53 PMAlexzandvar

There are tons of maps were buildings are unavoidable, and the Flak HT damages houses far, far faster than a Puma will, telling a person to get a Puma to counter buildings is insane.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 17:13 PMAustralian Magic

Stone buildings.

It takes 2:08 to wipe Rifles inside when used GwR and 2:29 for ISG.
Damages done to the building are quite similar althout GrW hit with all shells while ISG missed 2 of them.

And it does not matter if you killed them. They were recrewed 8 times and were dealing damage the same time like ISG - still less than 1k AI damage.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 10:25 AMKatitof

Except grenades, ISG, Stuka, infiltration nades and AA HT.
Not all factions are supposed to have all the tools.
It just happens that OKW already have most of them anyway.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 17:21 PMAlexzandvar

To bad the ISG is 480 MP, which is literally double the cost of the mortar, and a dead mortar cannot shoot.

2:29 for killing a building is pathetic for double the cost of a mortar, you would think that that it would be twice as effective, but nope

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 17:22 PMAustralian Magic

And you can find in my posts in this thread that it should be cheaper.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 17:23 PMAlexzandvar

No, OKW needs stuff to spend MP on, it should be more effective for it's price. Not just reduced down.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 17:25 PMAustralian Magic

But you can't get non-doc 120mm.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 17:32 PMAlexzandvar

Good thing it's a field howitzer and not a mortar? You understand the difference yes?

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 17:34 PMAustralian Magic

You don't understand.
It should be cheaper cause none faction should get non-doc unit with similar effectiveness to 120mm.

It does not matter if it is mortart or field gun. It's about effectiveness.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 17:43 PMAlexzandvar

Wait don't you argue stock units need to be better to compete with call ins? OKW only has 2 indirect fire units in the game commander or not

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 15:36 PMChiro

infiltration grenades are the only tool to really clear houses but only doctrinal - and they are overkill

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 17:50 PMAustralian Magic

And where you get this from? Cause Ive never said something like this.

And OKW does not need to have everything the best which is true in fact, except for arty.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 17:52 PMAlexzandvar

You constantly say you shouldn't need doctrinal units to counter stock units.

OKW doesn't have everything the best, but it shouldn't have literally nothing in some area's.

No reason the ISG should have to be overpriced garbage.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2015, 17:55 PMAustralian Magic

That's why it should be cheaper instead of making it similar to 120mm.


Best AI inf - Obers.
best AT inf - Volks.
Best engi - SP.
Best mobile arty - Stuka.
Best light tank - T70 or Luchs.
Best teching - OKW.
Best heavy tank - KT
Best heavy TD - JT
and on..
and on..

Soviets are better in terms of assault guns and arty.