4vs4 as allied

My question is : why should this apply to Allies only? Why aren't Axis factions the ones who need to "think out of the box" and come up with intricate combined arms joint attack scenarios in order to merely get a chance of succeeding against overwhelming Allied power?

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2015, 10:59 AMtotalchuck

Hi, I really like The Company of Heroes Franchise and my favorite game type is 4vs4. even though OKW prevails most of the time in this kind of game because of the faction´s design, i think the allied could win more games by using the Speed and flexibility of their armies efficiently.

OKW´s strategy depends a lot on their truck, you will always find their troops massed around them. Last time i tried to attack their main base, which was defenceless, and to retreat before their troops came back. this actually really distrupted their main frontline and permitted my allies to crush their defence.

The OKW also use a lot of ressources on their trucks, ressources that can´t move for the rest of the game. The concentrated attack of 4 Players against one truck schould destroy it before any Counter attack come to support it. While all the other armies can retreat from a disavantageous engagement with few losses, the OKW will lose trucks and techs.

Think about a 1vs1 game. do you concentrate on the medical truck that heal and Support ennemy infantry ? or do you try to cut from his ressources and encircle him ? because in all 4vs4 game all the allied just Keep pushing against those trucks until the late game is here and it´s then GG.

Why do you want to spread all over the map to meet an enemy, who is stronger than yourself but can´t move ? on most map, the Focus of three Players on one side would be waaaaay more efficient than the usual 1vs1 face to face.

In the current game, you don´t want the axis to reach late game without winning some decisive Engagement. there is always a point when the axis forces reach a critical masse of tanks, and then, there is nothing you can do to win the game.

So even if there is obviously some Balance Problems in 4vs4, i think that if the allied would use the flexibilty and speed of their armies efficiently, they could still win a lot of games.

You mean BLOBBING...That i hope never happens again after the new patch release by Relic, which i expect it this month.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2015, 10:28 AMdrChengele

So the gist of the OP is that people would win more with allies if they utilized their faction strength more based on some nebulous notions of countering OKW forward truck placing.

Let's say for the sake of argument that this is true. So Allies need to do X differently to unlock some hidden potential of their factions in order to win.

My question is : why should this apply to Allies only? Why aren't Axis factions the ones who need to "think out of the box" and come up with intricate combined arms joint attack scenarios in order to merely get a chance of succeeding against overwhelming Allied power?

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2015, 15:51 PMtotalchuck

what is the solution then?....Is any Balance patch on the way ?

Yeah OKW is lacking in the combined arms department

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2015, 16:16 PMAlexzandvar

Hard to have combined arms when you have no arms to combine. Give OKW some team weapons and Medium tanks please.

Ostheer has to use combined arms. There is only 2 faction's that don't, OKW and USF.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2015, 19:00 PMpigsoup

it isnt impossible to win as allies like some ppl imply.

just harder. just dont make mistakes. M15 AA HT going over teller can be gg then and there but OKW AA HT going over m20 mine is just a set back.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2015, 18:43 PMImagelessbean

Not sure what you mean here at all.

OKW has the most useful set of units of any faction, it is just that they don't have to use them because Volks and Obers are so cost effective. Seriously though, there are only a few OKW units I would not use at all and as such they inherently have more combined arms. You seem to suggest that combined arms only counts if you have static weapon teams with mobile infantry.

USF doesn't have combined arms because rifles is all they can do.

OKW AA HT going over m20 mine is just a set back.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2015, 19:26 PMAlexzandvar

What the fuck. The OKW fuel penalty makes every loss harder on it, not easier. At the 66% fuel income the loss of a OKW AA HT is 71.5 fuel down the drain.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2015, 19:39 PMbraciszek

If it was a 4v4, OKW could care less with all the extra fuel as well as teammate cache...

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2015, 19:52 PMElSlayer

Do caches give OKW reduced amount of fuel?

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2015, 19:56 PMAlexzandvar

Your fuel income is cut by a standard 33% from all sources except for picking up fuel crates from Luftwaffe.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2015, 19:59 PMElSlayer

...and base sector.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2015, 20:02 PMAlexzandvar

Not really that big of a deal, since it would mean your getting 4 fuel inside of 6, which is only 2 less.