PGrens with double panzerschrecks against USF

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2015, 01:35 AMDeath's Head

Ah yes...Clown car snipers, SU-85/Snipers, MG42 from hell....where does time go?

Jump back to quoted post13 Feb 2015, 18:23 PMluvnest

Oh please, Panzergrenadiers are probably one of the few units in this game that work as intended. You have a dedicated AI squad and you can upgrade it with 120 munitions to make it a dedicated AT squad, sacrificing pretty much all AI capabilites. Actually more units should be like that, instead of Allrounders.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2015, 00:51 AMFichtenMoped

Oh yes they are ^^ I had two Pgrens raping even Guards today and after that they were a great support for my Tiger dealing with 85s

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2015, 00:51 AMFichtenMoped

Oh yes they are ^^ I had two Pgrens raping even Guards today and after that they were a great support for my Tiger dealing with 85s

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2015, 00:37 AMAlexzandvar

Non-doctrine USF units can counter and out preform pretty much anything Ostheer can make except the Panther.

Say what? Rifles get mulched by LMG42 Grenadiers with a halftrack backing them. Get an AT gun to make AA halftrack useless. In 2v2 this is absolutely not true in any way, shape, or form. So what if Jackson can kill PzIV? It's still an overly specialized and overpriced "tank destroyer" with not enough penetration to actually do its job. It's such a sad unit. Also most USF commanders blow.



Obviously yes Shreks can kill Jacksons, but I would never get shreks to counter one. That's the domain of the Panther/AT guns.



Exactly, T3 isn't bad but it isn't great, it's just pretty much out classed by everything that USF and Soviets can build resulting in it's obsolescence.

Soviet T3-T4 (yes, both) are both in a far worse place and are completely terrible. They need fixing first.



Ostheer are just as commander reliant these days as Soviets really, mostly because of needing Tigers in order to deal with the insane amount of allied mediums and infantry. The Elefant still also has a good place as it comes in good commanders, but the Pak43 comes in some pretty crap commanders.

You don't need Tigers, you have many AT options and good commanders. You just don't want to bother and can't leave your crutch. Honestly, do you even try different things as Ostheer? I do all the time and I am having a blast with how fun it is compared to my time with Soviets.

Call in meta will always be the case as long as it's cheaper and better than teching in every way, this extremely obvious with Ostheer.

You've got that right, Ostheer *can* do it as a slightly better option while Soviets are wholly dependant on their doctrines. Though Pak43 comes in good commanders too. Festung Armor for example is great, a hulled down Panther is a menace. Remember that it Pak43 only needs to kill 1 tank to be worth it and it will usually kill more depending on how you placed it and whether the enemy has artillery or not,so it's a flagship ability of its own and shouldn't really be in with many powerful abilities in the first place.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2015, 08:15 AMRMMLz

They are UP if you ask me. Why would I even call in an expensive squad, pay a lot of precious muni and then see it wiped with one HE shot?

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2015, 09:03 AMAlexzandvar

I wouldn't call a squad that dies to a single sherman HE shell fine. Especially when I need to pay 320 manpower and 120 munitions for the privilege of being 1 shotted by a medium tank.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2015, 08:49 AMFaustCostBulletin

Panzergrenadiers are absolutely fine AT. There is no remotely as effective Allied counterpart. They aren't supposed to go up against undistracted anti-infantry vehicles, but they stand a fair chance. OKW has spoiled you guys, clearly you want the same omniponent blobs of doom for Ostheer as well. Buff Panzergrenadiers somehow to be more effective against infantry, that's all they need. Maybe buff Stormtroopers in the same time too, as that doctrine doesn't have any call-ins besides Storms which are apparently supposed to be its backbone.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2015, 06:39 AM__deleted__

No offence man, but thats just largely bollocks. I see you dont have much experience. Yes, PGrens will usually defeat Guards at medium/short range, but that says exactly fuck all, as Guards are not in the best spot either, and in fact have a bit of a similar problem. Anyways, a well microed Conscript squad can and will actually win engagements against vanilla PGs - although RNG plays a major role here - and Rifles will do so pretty consistently. Allied elite infantry, be it Shocks or Paras, will defeat PGrens effortlessly.
Schrecked up, PGrens represent a major investment, and yet are incredibly fragile. Shermans frequently oneshot them, and every Medium tank can squish/push them and render them all but useless unless thy are supported by a Pak or an additional Gren squad.
What PGrens are good at is keeping Cons or Rifles from aggressively flanking your support weapons on urban maps, but thats pretty much it. I tend to build them for this niche application, but they are just not useful as either mainline infantry or dedicated AT.

the Pak43 comes in some pretty crap commanders.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2015, 08:49 AMFaustCostBulletin

Panzergrenadiers are absolutely fine AT. There is no remotely as effective Allied counterpart. They aren't supposed to go up against undistracted anti-infantry vehicles, but they stand a fair chance. OKW has spoiled you guys, clearly you want the same omniponent blobs of doom for Ostheer as well. Buff Panzergrenadiers somehow to be more effective against infantry, that's all they need. Maybe buff Stormtroopers in the same time too, as that doctrine doesn't have any call-ins besides Storms which are apparently supposed to be its backbone.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2015, 15:25 PMausterlitz

Nope all i want is my 340 mp 120 munition investment not to be one shotted regularly.Its too much cost for the potential reward,sorry.Moving on.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2015, 16:10 PMWingZero

Dude PGs don't always get one shoted, it is all dependent on RNG. PGs have the same chance of being one shotted as Obers, Assault Engineers, RE.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2015, 16:51 PMAlexzandvar

But unless you gave those Obers StG 44's your not losing 120 munitions in a munition starved faction.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2015, 16:51 PMAlexzandvar

But unless you gave those Obers StG 44's your not losing 120 munitions in a munition starved faction.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2015, 16:55 PMSpecialka

When you take everything into account, the OKW is not that ammo starved. USF is.

My LMG equipped Paras get one shotted by KT in munition starved commander.